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#1 Chance

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 05:43 PM

Peter Gammons says that Navarro is close to a deal with an undisclosed team. The Blue Jays and Twins are thought to be possible suitors.

Navarro's stats last season: .300/.365/.492 with 13 home runs in 89 games.

Do you hope it's the Twins? What would you think the contract should be if it is?

#2 tcarlic

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 05:49 PM

If they did sign him, you would think he would split time with Pinto. Navarro's other seasons have not been too hot; he's played in only 225 and he's been with a different team every year since 2010. Sounds like a back-up/platoon catcher to me.

#3 Chance

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 05:52 PM

I agree, tcarlic. That may be why he would make sense for us. He might take a 1 year deal and that could help Pinto slowly adjust to MLB and being the guy in 2015. I would like this as much as Salty.

#4 Shane Wahl

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 05:57 PM

He had a good 2013. That's almost it for anything of value from this guy. There is no way I would waste any time with him.

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 06:13 PM

I wouldn't love the signing, but I wouldn't hate it and I don't exactly disagree with it.

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 06:17 PM

It's really difficult to evaluate a deal when none of the terms are known.

#7 Chance

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 06:27 PM

True, but I still think it's fun to consider what you would prefer before the deal rather than after.

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 06:28 PM

I'd take him over Salty. Especially for the price that Navarro would claim. He was a beast for Tampa in the playoffs a few years back. He speaks Spanish (he's from Venezuela) as well, something many here are waiting in a veteran. Spanish speaking coach on the field and mentor to Pinto, who is also Venezuelan.

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 06:42 PM

I'm seeing Marlins or Blue Jays...

Do you have a link with the Twins in the mix..?

#10 Mave

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 07:00 PM

For what it's worth: http://www.mlbtrader...oward-deal.html

It just cites Gammons on Twitter saying that Navarro is "moving toresolution," with a team.

#11 Chance

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 07:03 PM

No, just MLBTradeRumor saying that the Blue Jays and us were in the market. Nothing saying we were in talks with him. Sorry if I lead you astray.

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 08:15 PM

Ugh, if we sign him, no trading Pinto for pitching. Don't want him

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 08:33 PM

I hope they would put defense as a priority in seeking a catcher. If that's the case, they won't consider Navarro.

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 09:13 PM

Therein lies the rub....there are no good defensive catchers available that can hit at all. I'd rather have Navarro than Salty. Actually, I'd rather play Doumit, trade him at the deadline and sink or swim with Pinto, et al.

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 09:59 PM

The Twins appear to agree with the view point listed above.

I disagree. I don't believe that Doumit can possibly hit well enough to make up for the runs he costs with his defense.

Mike Fasts study of a few years ago and the various studies since lead several teams to put a priority on receiving the ball. Joe Maddon said last winter that Molina saved them over 50 runs. They gave him another contract and he can't hit. Doumit is the other end of the spectrum.

I hope the Twins are correct and the Rays, Yankees and Pirates are wrong. I am not confident in that hope.

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 10:10 PM

The Twins appear to agree with the view point listed above.

I disagree. I don't believe that Doumit can possibly hit well enough to make up for the runs he costs with his defense.

Mike Fasts study of a few years ago and the various studies since lead several teams to put a priority on receiving the ball. Joe Maddon said last winter that Molina saved them over 50 runs. They gave him another contract and he can't hit. Doumit is the other end of the spectrum.

I hope the Twins are correct and the Rays, Yankees and Pirates are wrong. I am not confident in that hope.


Defensive catcher that can't hit. Is Drew still available?

#17 AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 10:40 PM

I sure hope we arent one of the unknown teams. Navarro has never been anything.

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 11:01 PM

The Twins appear to agree with the view point listed above.

I disagree. I don't believe that Doumit can possibly hit well enough to make up for the runs he costs with his defense.

Mike Fasts study of a few years ago and the various studies since lead several teams to put a priority on receiving the ball. Joe Maddon said last winter that Molina saved them over 50 runs. They gave him another contract and he can't hit. Doumit is the other end of the spectrum.

I hope the Twins are correct and the Rays, Yankees and Pirates are wrong. I am not confident in that hope.


I don't believe for a second that Molina saved 50 runs. He may have technically framed 50 pitches for called strike threes, but in reality umpires have such a wide zone that 2/3 of them would probably have been called anyway.

#19 Shane Wahl

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 11:17 PM

For me it's Salty or bust. I am ok either way. He's not great, but he's good. Otherwise call me insane for trusting Pinto and Herrmann to improve defensively.

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 11:25 PM

Defensive catcher that can't hit. Is Drew still available?


If Drew is an elite defensive catcher, he will have a major league job. He is probably a little above average. That isn't enough to make up for his bat. The work done on framing numbers suggest that the difference between his defense and Doumit's is greater than the difference in their bats, but that has more to do with Doumit.