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#1 PseudoSABR

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 11:42 PM

One year deal guaranteeing 8 mil, with 1.25 mil in incentives at 26 starts. There's also an option for 2015 if Johnson makes fewer than 7 starts (a rather odd provision).

The Twins should have been all over this, if they had the opportunity. Let's hope they are on better, more sustainable talent.

Edited by PseudoSABR, 19 November 2013 - 11:48 PM.


#2 kab21

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 11:59 PM

Excellent move by the Padres and something the Twins should have been in on. Of course the same could have been said about Marcum last year.

The odd provision was also included in Lackey's (longer) contract. It gives the team some value if he's injured the entire time. It's possible that JJ's arm is pretty iffy right now.

2015 club option at Major League minimum salary if Lackey misses significant time with surgery for pre-existing elbow injury in 2010-14


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Posted 20 November 2013 - 12:00 AM

Johnson said earlier this week he preferred San Diego, and frankly gave them a huge discount.

I wish the twins would have got him as well, however, not sure what a one year would have done for them...best case scenario is he has a nice year and becomes insanely expensive

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 12:02 AM

Per mlbtr It seems possible Johnson and agent Matt Sosnick could have gotten close to that $10MM mark had they focused on the highest bidder, but the pitcher preferred San Diego for personal reasons. The Padres got a discount approaching 20%, just for being the Padres.

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 12:12 AM

It doesnt seem like the Twins were too interested in him. Great choice for Johnson though, he definitely if healthy can improve his stock in that beautiful Pitchers Ballpark

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 12:18 AM

We are going to be waiting off and on next season, for many of our top prospects to make it to Target Field. The last thing I want to do is wait for a starting pitcher whose arm may fall off. Gibson and Meyer will provide enough upside.

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 12:22 AM

We are going to be waiting off and on next season, for many of our top prospects to make it to Target Field. The last thing I want to do is wait for a starting pitcher whose arm may fall off. Gibson and Meyer will provide enough upside.


I agree with you...but....if we resign Pelfrey I will be pissed because I would rather see if Josh Josh can resurrect his career over watching Pelfrey try to be a decent pitcher again. Josh Johnson has great stuff hurt or not, Pelfrey bleh.

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 12:31 AM

Oh so Johnson didn't have some strong desire to sign with the Twins because he was born here?

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 01:08 AM

Not facing the DH and pitching in Petco are boons to JJ's potential value; it's likely the Twins never had a legitimate chance. If the Twins want to pay top dollar for JJ after a successful season in San Diego, I imagine they'll be welcome to it.

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 05:35 AM

Let's think about that: If you were not affiliated with any team or location in any way, where would your rather spend your Aprils, Octobers and Winter Carnival days: In Minnesota or in San Diego?

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 05:49 AM

I cannot think of a pitcher who went to San Diego for a year and resurrected a career.

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 06:47 AM

I cannot think of a pitcher who went to San Diego for a year and resurrected a career.


Jason Marquis?

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 07:09 AM

I cannot think of a pitcher who went to San Diego for a year and resurrected a career.


Can you think of anyone who went to Minneapolis for a year and resurrected a career?
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Posted 20 November 2013 - 07:41 AM

There's also an option for 2015 if Johnson makes fewer than 7 starts (a rather odd provision).


From a team's standpoint, I really like that provision. Of course, the player has to trust that if he is healthy, the team will start him. And 7 starts isn't that high a barricade.

Makes me wonder if they think that there is something that may require surgery or if the doctors just can't tell.

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 07:42 AM

Can you think of anyone who went to Minneapolis for a year and resurrected a career?


Closest I can come is Pavano.

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 07:58 AM

One year deal guaranteeing 8 mil, with 1.25 mil in incentives at 26 starts. There's also an option for 2015 if Johnson makes fewer than 7 starts (a rather odd provision).

The Twins should have been all over this, if they had the opportunity. Let's hope they are on better, more sustainable talent.


Since Johnson signed this early, that tells me he had a specific set of goals for a comeback season: he wanted to be in a big ballpark in the National League. If I was him, I'd do the same thing. Smart move and I question whether the Twins could have snagged him at any price... He's obviously fixing for a big contract in 2015. If he was worried about a 2014 paycheck, I doubt he would have signed before the Winter Meetings and at a lower price than most of us expected.

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 08:00 AM

Oh so Johnson didn't have some strong desire to sign with the Twins because he was born here?


I don't know about others' arguments but I thought it could be a bargaining chip to attract Johnson to Minnesota, though it'd obviously have to come alongside a competitive offer. Obviously, that wasn't the case (though it's hard to say whether the Twins pursued him at all, never heard a rumor linking them to Johnson).

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 08:12 AM

Can you think of anyone who went to Minneapolis for a year and resurrected a career?


How about 'Black Jack' Morris?

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 08:16 AM

Closest I can come is Pavano.


Twins traded for Pavano.
After that he never pitched for another team.

Don't think that qualifies as 'resurrecting a career'. :)

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 08:31 AM

How about 'Black Jack' Morris?


Jack Morris a. was ancient history, b. was towards the end of a very successful career (he was 36 in 1991 and played 3 more seasons) and c. Gardyn'Andy were playing ball back then. Nothing to resurrect.

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