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#1 Seth Stohs

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 12:10 AM

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 12:33 AM

Well as a fan of section 219 , I will quote howard, there are only a dozen or so players worth keeping on the 25 man roster., so there is plenty of dead wieght that can be jettisoned prior to setting the 40 man roster, in fact I am surprised Ryan hasnt been working the Phones trying to package some of these players to obtain prospects we dont have to protect or to get players we would want to protect...My keepers start with pitching ,Cause thats our biggest need, Dean ,Darnell and Wimmers and we should keep 2b-ss Polanco and Vargas

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 12:33 AM

I guess the below guys stand a chance to be added or risk being taken:

Polanco - Surely
Kepler (maybe - But there is little chance he could stick on a 25 man roster unless he gets stashed with a phantom injury)
Vargas (strong maybe - some team would have to be really sold on his bat)
Darnell (double strong maybe - His handedness could give a team a cheap team controlled LOOGY)
Beresford (triple strong doubtful, but some team could take a chance on his bat/glove)

everyone else should not be protected because they won't be taken. - However I am not sure how the minor league portion of the draft works

Edited by clutterheart, 19 November 2013 - 12:35 AM.


#4 Shane Wahl

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 12:36 AM

I am so baffled by the existence of Eric Fryer and BJ Hermsen on the 40-man, that I don't know how to think about limiting this to four guys. I wouldn't even consider Welker, and either Presley or Mastroianni has to go, so there could be up to 8 more guys added for me.

#5 Seth Stohs

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 12:40 AM

everyone else should not be protected because they won't be taken. - However I am not sure how the minor league portion of the draft works


Like the MLB 40 man roster, the Twins will have a 39 or 40 man AAA roster and a 39-40 man AA roster. Polanco needs to be added to the 40 man roster this year. Last year at this time, he would have been on the AAA roster, and the year before on the AA roster. Also, if the Twins don't put Kepler or Wimmers or Vargas or whoever on the MLB 40 man roster, they will certainly be on that AAA roster. Of course, if a player is selected in the minor league portion, he does not need to be offered back to the other organization, and he can be used on any roster in his new team's organization.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 12:41 AM

I am so baffled by the existence of Eric Fryer and BJ Hermsen on the 40-man, that I don't know how to think about limiting this to four guys. I wouldn't even consider Welker, and either Presley or Mastroianni has to go, so there could be up to 8 more guys added for me.


Again, if the Twins are busy in Free Agency, they're going to need guys like those to remove from the 40 man. Again, if you add 8 guys, who are you going to remove from the 40 man roster when you sign a pitcher?

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 12:59 AM

Again, if the Twins are busy in Free Agency, they're going to need guys like those to remove from the 40 man. Again, if you add 8 guys, who are you going to remove from the 40 man roster when you sign a pitcher?


I'll take a shot at this:

- BJ Hermsen
- Eduardo Escobar
- Duke Welker
- Eric Fryer
- Liam Hendriks

Additionally, the following players might be tradeable for players that wouldn't need to be immediately added to the 40 man:

- Glenn Perkins
- Trevor Plouffe
- Anthony Swarzak
- Oswaldo Arcia

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 01:05 AM

Drop: Hermsen

Add: Polanco, Kepler, Vargas, Wimmers, Oliveros, Darnell, Achter

Depending on how many spots they plan to fill, those would be my guys, in that order. Wimmers and Oliveros are question marks as far as health. I know Wimmers had minor elbow surgery and Oliveros only threw 3.2 innings in Venezuela. Any idea why Seth? I haven't been able to find anything on it.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 01:51 AM

The only guy I am absolutely sure you'd lose is Achter. He may be ready to sit in an MLB bullpen already. A team could very well determine to keep him on their roster all year.

I really like Oliveros, too, though I cannot remember why. I'd protect him.

The others are not going to take a roster spot in 2014, unless someone gambles on Polanco like we did with Santana.

But hey! I don't know!
Who out there sees someone else we would really lose?
And this is only my 40-man roster ideas. I get depressed that there are minor league drafts I have to protect guys from.

Edited by Oldgoat_MN, 19 November 2013 - 02:00 AM.


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Posted 19 November 2013 - 03:49 AM

Depends on how many you want to add. My guess is the Fryer and Hermsen are gone, then you could drop many of the following group, Diamond, Albers, Collabella, Mastro. I would be trying to trade Fien, Hendriks, Duensing Parmelle. Problems like this are good to have, if you have a very good farm system, you will lose players. Pirates lost like 6 a couple of years ago. I would add Polanco, Kepler and Achter for sure. Wimmers and Olivares are strong candidates for a bad team to take a flyer on a stash in the bullpen for a year. With the current pitching crunch do not consider Vargas and issue as he is 1-2 years away at least and stashing a hitter is much more difficult than a mop pitcher for a year.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 06:49 AM

(36) present roster
(2) Free Agent Pitchers
(1) Rule 5
(2) Polanco, Kepler

The Astros are so bad they may stash Kepler on their roster for a year if not protected.

The Twins would need to drop Hermsen or Albers when they sign the second free agent.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:24 AM

With the growth of major league pitching staffs, it's gotten extremely difficult to keep position player rule 5 picks if they can't contribute. Pitchers are much easier to hide. With that said:

I doubt any major league team is going to keep Polanco on its 25 man roster...no need to protect him. Same for Kepler.

Wimmers, Achter and Darnall are the most likely to be lost, IMO, so Id start with adding those three.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:44 AM

In regards to free agent signings.....if you sign a lefty, you remove Albers. If you sign a righty, you remove Worley or Hendriks. If you sign a catcher, you remove Fryer or even Herrmann (Rohlfing is the same as Herrmann and a year younger). If you need another spot, you can always exchange a free agent for Colabello. Then you still have Parmelee and Mastro on the bubble. You also have folks like Welker who could be removed during the summer months. Right now, the Twins have to get to the magic 39 number (I see Hermsen also getting jettisoned). And remember, Danny Santana is still there. Does he need to stay? Yes, any player removed from the 40-man roster must also go thru waivers. But with most 40-man rosters set, you should ore easily get guys thru who are not eligible for minor league free agency. Again, any free agents signed CAN replace aging prospects who have not panned out. Oh, Vargas is probably moot now that Mauer has moved to first base.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:48 AM

With the growth of major league pitching staffs, it's gotten extremely difficult to keep position player rule 5 picks if they can't contribute. Pitchers are much easier to hide. With that said:

I doubt any major league team is going to keep Polanco on its 25 man roster...no need to protect him. Same for Kepler.

Wimmers, Achter and Darnall are the most likely to be lost, IMO, so Id start with adding those three.


If another team left a top ten talent like Polanco or Kepler off their 40 man, I would want the Twins to pick and stash him for a year. It's not like the Twins will be in contention in 2014. This is how the Jays got Jorge Bell from the Phillies.

Every Twins decision should be based on 2015 to 2020.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 08:31 AM

Like the MLB 40 man roster, the Twins will have a 39 or 40 man AAA roster and a 39-40 man AA roster. Polanco needs to be added to the 40 man roster this year. Last year at this time, he would have been on the AAA roster, and the year before on the AA roster. Also, if the Twins don't put Kepler or Wimmers or Vargas or whoever on the MLB 40 man roster, they will certainly be on that AAA roster. Of course, if a player is selected in the minor league portion, he does not need to be offered back to the other organization, and he can be used on any roster in his new team's organization.


That ^

Most of these guys will not be targeted at the MLB portion of the draft but at the AAA portion, which means being on the Rochester roster protects them.

I have a hard time seeing any team give a 25-man roster spot to Polanco or Kepler. Too raw. Or Wimmers. Too hurt. Vargas maybe because of his power.

The kind of players that teams might select in the major league portion of the draft are pitchers for situational relievers in the majors (Darnell, Dean, Achter - think Pressly) and maybe to fill some holes, but the semi-MLB ready players the Twins have (Romero, Ramirez etc,) were all free agents and could have been signed by a team if was aggressive.

I'd put Vargas on the roster. Switch hitting 40 HR power does not grow on trees. That leaves the Twins with 3 open spots. And I'd switch Darnell with Hermsen, just because. The rest are fine on the AAA roster. Maybe take Colabello off too.

Another thing that one needs to consider, is that, because this is the roster shakeup time and people are taken off and going through waivers, the Twins would need a spot or two open for their annual waiver claim dumpster diving...

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 09:00 AM

I think Logan and Polanco are for sure adds. Logan is a starting pitcher at AAA. And a lefty. Someone would take a flier on him. After that, I don't think it matters much. I do think they'll leave one spot open for a potential rule v pick but as others have noted, they can dump a few guys off the 40 man roster pretty easily - Hendriks, Herrmann, Hermsen, Parmelee, Colabello.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 09:03 AM

I am so baffled by the existence of Eric Fryer and BJ Hermsen on the 40-man


Don't let it bother you too much, it's just a matter of timing (although one could argue that shouldn't even really matter with these two).

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 09:11 AM

If the Astros felt Polanco was a top ten Twins prospect, then why wouldn't they select him?
They're not going to win 60 games with or without him.

I would protect Kepler for the same reason but I can understand rolling the dice that he's too far away.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 09:54 AM

Polanco needs to be protected. This kid will be given every opportunity to be the Twins SS of the future! Why would the Twins (or any team) not protect a good-hitting middle infielder?

Kepler can be left unprotected. He is too far away and he will not be picked up. He hasn't even played much A-ball let alone contributing to an MLB club.

Wimmers is a longshot to turn it around. Don't waste a spot.

Darnell and Achter are close and should be protected.

Vargas is has a 70 power tool. I would try and make room for him.

In summary:

Protect (in order of importance): Polanco, Achter, Darnell & Vargas

Leave unprotected: Kepler & Wimmers

Drop: Hermsen, Mastroianni & possibly Chris Herrmann (if they feel the need to protect Kepler or Wimmers)

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 10:33 AM

With the growth of major league pitching staffs, it's gotten extremely difficult to keep position player rule 5 picks if they can't contribute. Pitchers are much easier to hide. With that said:

I doubt any major league team is going to keep Polanco on its 25 man roster...no need to protect him. Same for Kepler.

Wimmers, Achter and Darnall are the most likely to be lost, IMO, so Id start with adding those three.


Logic would agree with this. However at the same time, if a prospect like Polanco or Kepler were available for the Twins to nab, there would be plenty of us begging the team to do so. Many of us were hoping the team would take a flier on Braulio Lara last year and the Marlins actually did, though they soon returned him.

I agree that Wimmers, Achter and Darnell are most likely to get picked up. I would think Achter would be pretty close to a cinch to get picked in fact. If the Twins strong bullpen wasn't still intact, he'd probably be among the favorites to win a spot coming out of spring training anyway.

I'd probably gamble that Kepler won't get picked up, it's a long shot that he would, but his corner OF/1B availablility does provide some bench versatility. The lack of versatility is why we should not worry about Vargas getting picked. I'd also wonder about Wimmers and Oliveros but the Twins should at least have the advantage of being the only team with a reliable evaluation of their recovery timetable. If they are ready for a full season workload, they both have a strong shot at being claimed.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 10:38 AM

The pitchers should generally be kept (remove Hermsen first). The reason Kepler and Polanco are not going to be selected isn't just because of having to have them on the bench. It is that you then have a player with basically a wasted year with little development. I doubt any team, even the Astros, are willing to use a roster spot on someone who isn't ready before 2016 (and maybe 2017, given the year wasted).

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 10:44 AM

With the number of players to be protected, the number of current Twins who need protection is low. Drop the marginals as I stated above and protect the player you want to protect. I do not see Darnell as better than Diamond or Albers, so I would not protect him. The rest of the players stated above are choices, but would be dismayed if the Twins gave up on significant bullpen pieces. May see waivers or a few minor trades today or tomorrow, but most low talent clubs will not give much for bullpen pitchers they may be able to get off the waiver wire in the next couple of days.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 11:52 AM

If the Astros felt Polanco was a top ten Twins prospect, then why wouldn't they select him?
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Because he is 2-3 years away from the majors and will just have to sit on the bench. The kid is not even ready for AA.
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Posted 19 November 2013 - 12:42 PM

With teams like the Twins and Astros out there who have very little talent, I could still see grabbing a Polanco and putting him on the MLB roster.

He can play defense already. Don't think he can hit .220 like their current SS's?

Oh wait, we're the Twins.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 01:33 PM

I want to say some team did this in the last decade - the Mets, I think - they grabbed some 21 or 22 year old OFer with tools who was totally overwhelmed but they kept him at the ML level all year, got him into a number of games and he was just horrible. Then the next year they sent him to AA and he was still horrible and he never made it back. I don't think any team will take an A ball hitter and stick him on their ML roster. (But that doesn't mean they couldn't try and work out a trade after poisoning the well a bit).

But in the Twins case, I just don't see why they'd need to risk anything. Polanco and Kepler will get another option year b/c of their youth so we don't really lose anything by protecting them this year and we have enough guys that we can remove if needed.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 01:40 PM

Nobody is going to pick up Polanco or Kepler, while both are nice prospects, neither one project to be world beaters that are worth keeping on your bench for a full year. It is much easier to grab a pitcher and keep him as your mop up guy (since they are the most interchangeable players on the 25 man roster) Limiting an already small position player bench size by having a guy who can't play (insert Butera joke here) is a really poor move.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 02:39 PM

Polanco- he plays a MI position and would be at least an outside shot to be Rule 5 drafted and stick.
Logan Darnell- Had a nice AZL last fall and followed it up with a pretty solid season in the upper minors. As a lefty he seems like a candidate to be selected as well.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 02:55 PM

The Astros and Cubs are likely the only two teams that have had and currently have a worst MLB roster than the Twins. If these guys (Polanco, Kepler, all the pitchers) can't win a spot on the Twins roster, why would the other teams want them? Kepler is WAY too raw. Polanco is worth protecting on the 40 man (not the 25 man) only because he may be the SS of the future. The pitchers aren't that special, but can you ever have too much pitching?

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 08:16 PM

Yeah, I don't see Kepler being protected. That will happen next year I'd imagine, but given the time taken to develop him and the fact that he's only played at CR, I don't see it happening. I could be wrong though. The pitchers most definitely. I think Polanco is in the same boat as Kepler.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 08:54 PM

Everth Cabrera was selected from Low A by the Padres.

Polanco could be selected. Spend a year as utility. Get seasoning in minors in 2015.

With the large pitching staffs, utility infielder and the bullpen are the only spots to stash players. Protect Polanco.