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#31 twinsnorth49

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:26 AM

Twins new manager 2015?....2014?

I agree the Twins need more Latino coaches but does that have to mean you pass on a guy like Molitor? Seems kind of silly to me, he brings instant credibility for the players.

I can see the them adding a Latino coach next off-season, there is likely to be some vacancies, perhaps even one this off-season in the lower levels.

Edited by twinsnorth49, 22 October 2013 - 11:30 AM.


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:32 AM

Or you could view it as "they added a Hall of Fame player who is one of the smartest hitters of the last generation and is widely respected throughout the league"..


HOF player with a rival team and a PED user.
(yes, cocaine is a PED.)

And a guy who magically became fit to be in the coaching staff this season while he was not (according to Ryan) last season.
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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:33 AM

Bobby Cuellar is of Mexican descent and speaks Spanish. I agree that Latino coaches are underrepresented when compared to Latino players but the Twins aren't completely ignoring it.


Bobby Cuellar is sitting in the bullpen during the games, so the only effect he can have is during practices, during ST and for the bullpen...
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#34 Seth Stohs

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:38 AM

I still hope that Jake Mauer is the next Twins manager, and I believe that he would be the right choice.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:40 AM

HOF player with a rival team and a PED user.
(yes, cocaine is a PED.)

And a guy who magically became fit to be in the coaching staff this season while he was not (according to Ryan) last season.


Nice to see you taking the high road for a change. I'm sure all that cocaine Molly did in the late '70's is what stamped his ticket to the Hall.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:40 AM

I doubt it. Molitor wanted to be the manager when Ryan hired Gardy but other than that I don't think there's any bad blood between the two. As mentioned, he's been a pretty consistent presence at ST every year.


As I understand it, Molitor DIDN"T want to be manager at that time. The job was his if he wanted it, he didn't, so the hired Gardy.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:44 AM

As I understand it, Molitor DIDN"T want to be manager at that time. The job was his if he wanted it, he didn't, so the hired Gardy.


That was my understanding as well.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 12:02 PM

Rosetta Stone.
Problems solved.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 12:03 PM

What is the true story of Molitor and cocaine usage and is it still relevant?

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 12:10 PM

A player representative for much of his career, Molitor was at the center of several well-publicized contract negotiations. He won a battle with cocaine abuse during the injury-ravaged early part of his career, overcame the negative publicity that surrounded his mention in the trial of a prominent drug dealer, and delivered persuasive anti-substance-abuse messages to young people later in his career. Popular in both Milwaukee and Minnesota, Molitor remained close to baseball after his active career ended in 1998.


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 12:15 PM

Bobby Cuellar is of Mexican descent and speaks Spanish. I agree that Latino coaches are underrepresented when compared to Latino players but the Twins aren't completely ignoring it.


Cueller was born and raised in Texas and went to the U of Texas about as american as you can get. This is just my opinion but speaking spanish doesn't mean you can relate to players from Latin America and help mentor them. Of course it doesn't mean he doesn't help either.

However, I think that an ex latin player that could relate to coming to a new country, new language and having suceeded at making that transition would be helpful.

A question I'll ask is do the Twins have anyone in the dugout during the games that speaks fluent spanish?

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 12:20 PM

Good move. It helps fill the gaping leadership and accountability void by coaches and more importantly at this point and with this roster: players.
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Posted 22 October 2013 - 12:22 PM

Okay, there's something I don't quite understand. Last year about this time, the Twins made their coach shuffle. At that time Terry Ryan said that Paul Molitor was "not a good fit" to be added as a coach. What has changed since that statement? I'd like someone to pursue that questioning of Ryan. I like the move, but I also agree with the many voices that say get rid of Ullger (he adds nothing at this point) and bring in an Hispanic coach.

Edited by ScottyB, 22 October 2013 - 12:35 PM.


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 12:39 PM

Okay, there's something I don't quite understand. Last year about this time, the Twins made their coach shuffle. At that time Terry Ryan said that Paul Molitor was "not a good fit" to be added as a coach. What has changed since that statement? I'd like someone to pursue that questioning of Ryan. I like the move, but I also agree with the many voices that say get rid of Ullger (he adds nothing at this point) and bring in an Hispanic coach.


I believe it was LENIII at the time who said that Molitor wasn't a good fit because the Twins felt that having him on the staff would threaten Gardenhire's authority.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 12:40 PM

Nice to see you taking the high road for a change. I'm sure all that cocaine Molly did in the late '70's is what stamped his ticket to the Hall.


Replace "cocaine" with "cream and clear" and "Molly" with "Bonds" and let me know how you feel.

Same story. Different drugs.
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Posted 22 October 2013 - 12:43 PM

Semantics here, but I believe Ryan said that Molitor on the coaching staff "wasn't the right fit" or something like that. That isn't saying the same thing as he wasn't fit to be on the staff.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 12:45 PM

Cueller was born and raised in Texas and went to the U of Texas about as american as you can get. This is just my opinion but speaking spanish doesn't mean you can relate to players from Latin America and help mentor them. Of course it doesn't mean he doesn't help either.

However, I think that an ex latin player that could relate to coming to a new country, new language and having suceeded at making that transition would be helpful.

A question I'll ask is do the Twins have anyone in the dugout during the games that speaks fluent spanish?

Now that Wilken has been DFAed--Colabello.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 12:46 PM

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 12:50 PM

On the "fit" question, I suppose it could be argued that they didn't want a "manager in waiting" when Gardenhire was on the last year of his contract.

Perhaps now that Gardenhire is back on a 2-year agreement, they don't see it as the same issue.

Just speculating.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 12:59 PM

Replace "cocaine" with "cream and clear" and "Molly" with "Bonds" and let me know how you feel.

Same story. Different drugs.


Cocaine adds strength and helps helps the body rapidly recover? I got to see that study.

I too am curious why Molitor is suddenly a fit. I like the move but am also frustrated they dipped back into the old boys club. It just strengthens the notion that Ryan refuses to leave his comfort zone.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 01:02 PM

thrylos, you've taken another cheap shot


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 01:03 PM

Replace "cocaine" with "cream and clear" and "Molly" with "Bonds" and let me know how you feel.

Same story. Different drugs.


Sure, whatever you say, the similarities in their early and late careers due to their drug use is remarkable, so are their statistical comparisons.



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Posted 22 October 2013 - 01:20 PM

On the "fit" question, I suppose it could be argued that they didn't want a "manager in waiting" when Gardenhire was on the last year of his contract.

Perhaps now that Gardenhire is back on a 2-year agreement, they don't see it as the same issue.

Just speculating.

This is exactly what I thought of when the question was asked. Now that Gardy doesn't have to worry about his contract, adding someone that would be a potential next manger shouldn't be as threatening.

The two year Gardy allows Molitor to get some experience, Gardy to get his 1000th win with the Twins, and potentially allows Gardy to announce that he will retire after 2015 and do a farewell tour, where he can take on a role with the org like TK did. Molitor can then take over as the next manager.

This is all speculation, but I could easily see this happening.

You can come up with statistics to prove anything. Forty percent of all people know that.


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 01:21 PM

Bobby Cuellar is sitting in the bullpen during the games, so the only effect he can have is during practices, during ST and for the bullpen...


They can pick up the phone and call him....

Seriously though, the other players can translate in-game. He's most needed during practice and in the clubhouse.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 01:27 PM

Infield positioning eh? Will be curious to see if they do more shifting.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 01:27 PM

A question I'll ask is do the Twins have anyone in the dugout during the games that speaks fluent spanish?


Pedro Florimon speaks fluent Spanish. Pretty much all the Latino players do.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 02:04 PM

It's hard not to read Molitor being on the staff (whatever his designation might be) as a manager in waiting whether that's next year, in two, or somewhere down the line. I wonder if Gardy could retire in the next couple years, ala TK, and that's already been communicated. Wasn't Gardy just one year short of his retirement vesting or something like that?

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 02:28 PM

Replace "cocaine" with "cream and clear" and "Molly" with "Bonds" and let me know how you feel.

Same story. Different drugs.


Same story? Really?

Cocaine, while technically a "performance enhancer", is mainly used as a recreational party drug. Molitor was a young player who did stupid crap. It happens. He later showed contrition and spent effort in advocating against the drug in his later years.

Yeah, that's exactly like Bonds. A guy who used a drug whose sole purpose is performance enhancement late in his career because he didn't like the fact that other people were also cheating.

Besides, if Barry Bonds wasn't such a jackass, I'd also advocate that he be hired as a coach. The dude could flat-out rake and has a hell of a baseball mind.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 02:29 PM

It's hard not to read Molitor being on the staff (whatever his designation might be) as a manager in waiting whether that's next year, in two, or somewhere down the line. I wonder if Gardy could retire in the next couple years, ala TK, and that's already been communicated. Wasn't Gardy just one year short of his retirement vesting or something like that?


I agree -- we now know who the next manager will be. We just don't know when. It really is an interesting dynamic. I've never heard a shred of evidence that Gardenhire wants to leave this job and I wouldn't say Molitor is a member of the "boys club" because if he was, Gardy would have recommended him for a bench coach job by now. My guess is the Molitor hire was directed from the upper reaches of ownership and is a clear signal that the clock is ticking on the status quo.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 02:35 PM

Pedro Florimon speaks fluent Spanish. Pretty much all the Latino players do.


Add Arcia(Venezuelan), Pinto(Venezuelan), Escobar(Venezuelan), Deduno (Domincan), and, if on the roster next year, Hernandez (Venezuelan) to the mix.

Colabello also is fluent in Italian and Spanish.

That's...6..7..players who speak Spanish.

But, I'm still on board with another Spanish speaking coach in the dugout. Couldn't hurt.

And even better, if it he was a Latin legend, a HOFer, great character, and a counseling type of coach.

Edited by twinsfan34, 22 October 2013 - 02:47 PM.