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#1 Nick Nelson

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 11:02 AM

Korean pitcher is starting to draw some buzz as a potential Twins target, per Doogie.

https://twitter.com/...482325084991488

Yoon is comparable to Hyun-Jin Ryu, who has had tons of success for the Dodgers, but my understanding is that Yoon is coming off a season where he lost some velocity and pitched out of the bullpen following a shoulder injury. That might make him more affordable. Thoughts?

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 11:08 AM

Well, no posting fee required (so cheaper). Lost velocity. Has had injuries he's recovering from. Seems to meet all the requirements for a Twins signing. :-)
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Posted 16 October 2013 - 11:16 AM

Yoon will be our consolation prize when we come up just short on Tanaka:th_alc:

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 11:25 AM

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 11:30 AM

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Nor should it.

#6 gunnarthor

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 11:32 AM

As to the original post, I don't know enough about any of the international signees to know whether or not we should go after them but I'b glad that we did and hope the scouting guys get it better than Nishi.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 11:38 AM

Puck, we get that you weren't trying to be offensive but probably best to just not reference racially insensitive crap like that, especially on a thread about an Asian pitcher, even if you're not trying to endorse it.

Moving on...

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 11:44 AM

Puck, we get that you weren't trying to be offensive but probably best to just not reference racially insensitive crap like that, especially on a thread about an Asian pitcher, even if you're not trying to endorse it.

Moving on...


I took it all out..I most certainly do not endorse racism, absolutely the opposite in reality, but Stephen Colbert slamming that news station for posting those names was hilarious (because of all the levels those names had to get to before even getting on the news prompter for the anchor to read) and every once in awhile, it's nice to not take everything so serious and laugh...

But, again, took it all out. I stand by my first post though...just the kind of pitchers we'll go after :-)

Edited by ThePuck, 16 October 2013 - 11:54 AM.

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#9 pierre75275

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 12:56 PM

Can anybody post his stats? Does he strike anybody out or pitch to contact? How old is he?

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 01:04 PM

Can anybody post his stats? Does he strike anybody out or pitch to contact? How old is he?


Suk-min Yoon Minor League Statistics & History - Baseball-Reference.com

The right-handed Yoon pitched in 30 games for Kia in 2013, tossing over 87 innings. He posted a 4.00 ERA and 1.36 WHIP while striking out 76 batters.

BTW, something not mentioned yet...his agent is Scott Boras.

Edited by ThePuck, 16 October 2013 - 01:07 PM.

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#11 pierre75275

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 01:15 PM

Thank you Mr. Puck! Doesnt look like his arm has the innings that a Matsuzaka or Davarish or Tanaka might have....but I would still rather have Tananka

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 01:22 PM

Suk-min Yoon Minor League Statistics & History - Baseball-Reference.com

The right-handed Yoon pitched in 30 games for Kia in 2013, tossing over 87 innings. He posted a 4.00 ERA and 1.36 WHIP while striking out 76 batters.

BTW, something not mentioned yet...his agent is Scott Boras.



There is more here historically, though, right?

Because Anthony Swarzak threw 96 innings (albeit over 48 games) with a 2.91 ERA with a 1.156 WHIP in major league ball but only striking out 69.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 01:32 PM

There is more here historically, though, right?

Because Anthony Swarzak threw 96 innings (albeit over 48 games) with a 2.91 ERA with a 1.156 WHIP in major league ball but only striking out 69.


I only gave what I had readily available...if others have more they should definitely share
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#14 Nick Nelson

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 01:58 PM

There is more here historically, though, right?

Because Anthony Swarzak threw 96 innings (albeit over 48 games) with a 2.91 ERA with a 1.156 WHIP in major league ball but only striking out 69.

Yes. In the past he's been one of the league's stars as a starter, and was voted MVP in 2011 (I think?) but he lost some velocity and converted to a relief role this year due to the shoulder injury. Because of that, he carries some risk, but he'll also come cheaper and at 27 he's got some upside to bounce back.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 02:37 PM

Told by someone I trust that he is "definitely not Ryu!" Was good 3 years ago, but things have gone downhill. Maybe a back-end of rotation guy, maybe a bullpen arm.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 02:43 PM

Why even bother on someone like this? I'm sick of the bottom of the barrel scraping we continuously do. Go big or go home.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 02:53 PM

Why even bother on someone like this? I'm sick of the bottom of the barrel scraping we continuously do. Go big or go home.

I emphatically disagree with the approach you suggest. To become a winning club you try to find value where ever you can. Including, but not foolishly limited to, going big. Signing a guy like Yoon has nothing to do with whether we go big or not. Sheesh.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 02:59 PM

I emphatically disagree with the approach you suggest. To become a winning club you try to find value where ever you can. Including, but not foolishly limited to, going big. Signing a guy like Yoon has nothing to do with whether we go big or not. Sheesh.


Most organizations this is correct. With the Twins I'm not so sure. Signing Correia would have been fine last year had it not been our "big" FA signing of the off-season. When it comes down to it I just do not trust this front office to improve our team significantly.

Also a 4.00 ERA and 1.30 whip in Korea is not likely to translate very well in the states.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 03:23 PM

Also a 4.00 ERA and 1.30 whip in Korea is not likely to translate very well in the states.

Right, but you need real depth at AAA. Whether it's Deduno or this guy or Albers; those guys are going to end up pitching major league innings, given how often starting pitchers get hurt.

I just don't see how our interest in this guy reconfirms your disbelief in the Front Office's competence.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 05:15 PM

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Yes...yes I did...and posted a link of Stephen Colbert's whole hilarious thing about it where he slams the news station for reporting the fake names even though the list had to go through a bunch of people.

Darn it. Timmy had two jobs! Get coffee, and confirm the names of pilots in airline disasters!

Edited by ashburyjohn, 16 October 2013 - 05:55 PM.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 05:57 PM

BTW, something not mentioned yet...his agent is Scott Boras.


Hey! Stop posting offensive names. :)

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 06:27 PM

Told by someone I trust that he is "definitely not Ryu!" Was good 3 years ago, but things have gone downhill. Maybe a back-end of rotation guy, maybe a bullpen arm.


I take Seth's word.
You gotta laugh though most of the Twins starters sucked last year and now they want to sign a man named Suk.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 06:32 PM

I'd rather see the Twins sing him instead of the usual 30-some suspects they use to fill the Rochester rotation.

His first name is pronounced "Sook", btw
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Posted 16 October 2013 - 06:47 PM

Most organizations this is correct. With the Twins I'm not so sure. Signing Correia would have been fine last year had it not been our "big" FA signing of the off-season. When it comes down to it I just do not trust this front office to improve our team significantly.

Also a 4.00 ERA and 1.30 whip in Korea is not likely to translate very well in the states.


His numbers were significantly better previous seasons. the issue is the recent injury and velocity loss and that he has never shown starter durability. You go after him hoping that he bounces back but this should be the 3rd or 4th starter added and you expect him to start him in AAA.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 07:03 PM

Chatted with someone with the Twins who has seen Yoon, but isn't the point man on this scout/negotiation.

Really liked Yoon in 2010. Fastball (94), nasty slider (87) and a curve and change to boot. Since then has battled injuries (lost velocity) and attitude issues and went from front line prospect to back-of-the-rotation type. Expects him to "get paid like a 4".

Says he's talented and signable, but is more "lottery ticket" than anything. Nothing about Ryu, but says there is hope for a "Iwakuma-type revival" (which wouldn't be terrible, imo).

This line sums it all up: "Better than what we got? Sure. Am I real psyched about it? Eh...."

His workout is going to really determine everything. I would assume - at the least - that his deal tops the deal the Orioles gave Tsuyoshi Wada (2 yr/$8.15m plus a $5m team option) as a 30-year old in 2011.

I floated 3/$20 out earlier today and I think, with Boras, that's a decent place to start.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 07:29 PM

Told by someone I trust that he is "definitely not Ryu!" Was good 3 years ago, but things have gone downhill. Maybe a back-end of rotation guy, maybe a bullpen arm.


Sigh. Then why is their buzz on him?

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 07:50 PM

I floated 3/$20 out earlier today and I think, with Boras, that's a decent place to start.


I thought that the Twins could do better with 3/$20M as a starting place, but then I realize that this is Blackburn/Correia type money...
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Posted 16 October 2013 - 08:18 PM

I thought that the Twins could do better with 3/$20M as a starting place, but then I realize that this is Blackburn/Correia type money...
Sad.


Probably the going rate for a 27-year-old #4 starter.

On a related note, it's a great time to be a professional-ish pitcher.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 08:26 PM

Right, but you need real depth at AAA. Whether it's Deduno or this guy or Albers; those guys are going to end up pitching major league innings, given how often starting pitchers get hurt.

I just don't see how our interest in this guy reconfirms your disbelief in the Front Office's competence.


Our interest in this guy in particular doesn't confirm my disbelief in the front office. It's the majority of the guys we have interest in that makes me feel this way.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 09:59 PM

I'd rather see the Twins sing him instead of the usual 30-some suspects they use to fill the Rochester rotation.

His first name is pronounced "Sook", btw


Thrylos do you know what Scott Baker's contract status is for 2014? Did he sign a 1 yr or more.