Posted 18 April 2012 - 08:40 AM
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." -- Jim Bouton, "Ball Four"
Posted 18 April 2012 - 08:52 AM
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-- I'm not convinced the recoil is a problem here. It's been something he's thrown with pretty much since day one. It's not an ideal throwing motion but I don't think it is as detrimental to his command in this case.
I suspect this is a symptom of the same problem - i.e. being out-of-balance with his plant foot, but just wondering if you noticed the same thing and/or if there's another mechanical issue causing the recoil at the end of his motion.
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 04:53 PM
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 09:44 AM
I have heard Bert talk about Lirano "flying open" often. It seems to be a known problem. When Andy goes out and talks to him, usually there are a couple of good pitches. What I don't get is, doesn't Liriano know by now that his problem is mechanics and when he's doing poorly, know what to do to fix it? He obviously does not. He should know! He should think, "ok I'm not striding in the right place" or whatever and change what he's doing.[/QUOTE]
I cannot speak towards Rick Anderson's methods pertaining to straightening pitchers out, however, last year they fixated on his release point inconsistencies and, from what a front office member told me, the team's video guy -- normally reserved to compile at-bat videos against different pitchers -- took it upon himself to provide visual evidence of various release points to Liriano. Pure speculation, I wonder if Anderson is attempting to describe it to Liriano rather than showing this type of evidence (i.e., look what you were doing when you were doing good versus this past season). This may help Liriano understand better the extent of his mechanical failure rather than "keep your shoulder in" and "drive towards the plate" speech coaches give pitchers.
In terms of fixing, that's up to Liriano. This appears to be a product of rushing. A stint in low leverage bullpen situations may be the right course of action in order to get him back on track.
He's pitching from a few inches farther towards the third base side of the rubber. Maybe that's why he's opening up...he thinks he needs to do that to get the ball over the plate.[/QUOTE]
I should have mentioned that in part of the write-up -- the first two images from 2010 are him facing left-handed opponents and the 2012 shots happen to be of him facing right-handed hitters. He's slid from the first base side when facing lefties to the third base side facing righties dating back to at least 2009.
You asked, would getting him to stick in one place on the rubber help? I think it couldn't hurt. Mitch Williams in last Saturday's Twins-Rangers broadcast noted that the Rangers had Yu Darvish eliminate his over-the-head pitching wind-up to simplify his approach. Like Darvish, I think there may be some psychological effect to that which may help Liriano. The reason why he started to shift to the third base side for righties was to be able to locate his fastball better inside to them. Now that he throws his two-seamer more to righties, he's targeting the outer-half.
One other thing ... looking at Liriano's left knee - if all the pictures are taken at the same point in time in his delivery, then it looks like he's also lengthened his stride, because the left knee is quite a bit closer to the dirt now than it was in 2010.[/QUOTE]
I did not have a large selection of side views of Liriano's pitching so I couldn't accurately speak towards his stride length but it has been something I have been wondering about although I believe that the lowered left knee is more of a product of him pulling offline which is forcing his leg lower in the process.
Frankly, I think it may just boil down to this when it comes to Liriano: he's not very bright. Intellectually he doesn't seem capable of mastering the basic mechanics of pitching.[/QUOTE]
I've never seen any evidence that says he is not very bright.
Posted 19 April 2012 - 09:53 AM
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 11:42 AM
Frankly, I think it may just boil down to this when it comes to Liriano: he's not very bright.
He seemed smart enough in 2006, and again in 2010. He underwent TJ surgery, not surgery for a brain aneurysm.