Posted 31 August 2013 - 11:18 PM
Posted 01 September 2013 - 01:13 AM
What has Ryan done to improve this organization. As of today absolutely nothing!! He signed Carroll, Doumit, and Willingham in his first year back. He waited too long to deal Liriano and was essentially fleeced by Kenny Williams and company. He just gave Carroll away and refused to trade Morneau and Willingham at their peak value. I understand the Twins had to trade Morneau because they were not going to re-sign him. However, once again why not last winter? The reason why is because Ryan thought he was smarter than everyone else. He thought Willingham and Morneau would have monster first half's and he would unload them for top notch prospects. He traded Morneau for absolutely nothing and refused to re-sign him for less. He refused to trade Willingham last year and demanded the Orioles top pitching prospect yesterday. He instead chose to hold on to a 35 year old, injury prone, DH at best, player who is owed $7 million next season. Not to mention Willingham will be taking away at bats from younger players. I guess if it were me, Willingham would have been dealt for nothing and Morneau would have at the very least stayed until the end of the year. However, there is no loyalty in MLB and Morneau took the path well traveled by former Twins superstars. It's really unfortunate that every star player in the last 15-20 players has been traded except for the wonderful singles hitter who is injured yet again. The Twins front office keeps talking about Sano & Buxton. Fans need to remember if they become stars, they will be traded away to save money just like every other big name to come through this town. Last winter every writer kept saying "Why would any good free agent pitcher want to come here when they can pitch for a contender." I guess they were in fact right!! However, the latest Ryan embarrassment is not going to help attract anybody either. The Twins Way used to be respected and admired around MLB, but now it has turned into a punchline. Well Done Terry Ryan!!
Edited by Fanatic Jack, 01 September 2013 - 01:22 AM.
Posted 01 September 2013 - 01:30 AM
I am actually kind of happy for Justin. I am suddenly a Pirates fan. They have a very good team and Justin will have an opportunity to play with McCutchen, one of the most exciting players in the game.
Some are saying there is a very good chance they will bring Justin back. Unless Parmelee or Colabello step up that might be a really good idea.
For now, go Justin! Go Pirates!
Posted 01 September 2013 - 01:59 AM
Thank you Justin! Lots of memories that i wont soon forget!
Posted 01 September 2013 - 05:43 AM
More 1:1 player trades, a la Span. Bundle guys with cash if it sweetens the deal, a la Pierzynski. If you can't color up, then just keep the guy. The Twins could have offered Morneau an extension like he asked for. I'd rather play that lottery than these 24-30 year olds with no MLB track record. At the very least, it doesn't clutter your roster as much.
Posted 01 September 2013 - 06:30 AM
Posted 01 September 2013 - 06:34 AM
If the intent was to actually slash salary, don't you think he would have handed over Willingham for a bag of balls?
Until this organization can either develop front-line starters, or is willing to put out some money for them, we're doomed to mediocrity anyway (and yes, getting swept by the Yankees come playoff time is mediocrity).
Posted 01 September 2013 - 06:40 AM
With the draft being more about scouting then dollars for that competitive edge then having TR around is going to be huge as he manages his scouts and drafting philosophy's well. Target Field was never meant to make the Twins big spenders and with Teams revenue's going up with the new TV contract, players are going to get more expensive so we still need some restraint.
Posted 01 September 2013 - 06:53 AM
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Posted 01 September 2013 - 07:17 AM
I understand that ultimately, the Twins are a business, but the focus on profit still rubs me the wrong way. Not only does it seem to me somewhat morally bankrupt, considering we pay for their operating facility, but ultimately it seems shortsighted in a business sense too. They risk serious loss of revenue as the newness of TF wears off and revenues return to being driven by the product on the field.
Posted 01 September 2013 - 07:58 AM
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Posted 01 September 2013 - 08:14 AM
It seems like your heart is very much in synch with your head.
And my heart can't help but wonder if the Twins were more willing to eat that money - money which they certainly had in their budget already - what they could have received in return.
My head and heart are in agreement. This is the same Terry Ryan who thought his greatest trade was Scott Erickson. Not a good thing.
I don't see a master plan.
Posted 01 September 2013 - 08:37 AM
Posted 01 September 2013 - 08:39 AM
I'm happy for Justin, I would be happy for anyone that gets out from under this awful team, frankly.
I find it odd they are all excited about a fungible middle reliever, given the quality of their MLB and AAA pitchers, they are flush with those already. Mediocre/bad starters turn into decent middle relievers. All they got here is two older players to clog the 40 man roster.
This is how I feel, and there is no right or wrong here, it is ok if others feel as if Ryan and the Pohlads care.
Posted 01 September 2013 - 08:44 AM
That's the end game. Being good enough to keep the profits rolling in but not being willing to take enough risks to produce a team that can win more than the division.
Some things never change.
Posted 01 September 2013 - 08:48 AM
Posted 01 September 2013 - 08:50 AM
Is it a correct assumption that the Pirates would have happily given up a good prospect in return for 2 million? That doesn't make baseball sense. Their front office know the cost of developing and acquiring a good prospect.
Maybe not a good one, how about a better one?
I think this was the best move for all parties, hopefully Morneau comes back next year.