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#1 John Bonnes

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 04:37 PM

Is Terry Ryan trolling us? Per Phil Miller....

1. Not only did the Twins accept cash for Jamey Carroll instead of getting back a "prospect", but...
2. When asked what they got, Terry Ryan replied "Cash, Homey."

I know that what bothers me about this is mostly symbolic, but good lord, this is frustrating. It's not like the Twins scouts couldn't root around deep into KC's farm system and find something.

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 04:39 PM

I know that what bothers me about this is mostly symbolic, but good lord, this is frustrating. It's not like the Twins scouts couldn't root around deep into KC's farm system and find something.


Now I'm just confused about what we're doing. Are we holding the line at "we have to get value" or not?

I'm not too worried about the cash, I think most of us can agree this organization is frustratingly cheap since TF opened, but Carroll didn't serve any purpose. The question is - why be ok getting nothing here and then dig your heels in so hard on Morneau and Willingham when there potentially is value to be had?

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 04:43 PM

They are clearly leaving no stone unturned......not.

What I just typed is probably an opinion, not a fact. I mean, I'm usually right, so you should maybe assume it is or will be a fact soon, but that's up to you. :) Also, I am NOT trying to convince anyone I am correct, I'm just talking here, not arguing.


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Posted 30 August 2013 - 04:46 PM

not like they really needed it to do so but maybe they'll use that cash to move morneau?

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 04:54 PM

Perhaps the payroll slashing of the last couple of years is more intentional than many want to admit? Perhaps Terry Ryan really is under demand from ownership to make/save them as much money as possible?
Typically teams accept the cash considerations because they are right at their budget, and want to make sure they keep payroll where it needs to be.
I can't see any other reason why a team in our payroll situation would take the cash considerations, instead of as John puts it, "digging deep in the KC system to try to find something". Even if that player has a 1% chance or less of ever amounting to anything, that is still better than money that isn't going to be used for anything to help the product on the field.

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 04:54 PM

not like they really needed it to do so but maybe they'll use that cash to move morneau?


I wish Phil Miller would have directed that question to his "Homey".

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 04:59 PM

What'll you do with the money, Jim?

I don't know, throw it on the pile, I suppose.

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 05:07 PM

Perhaps the payroll slashing of the last couple of years is more intentional than many want to admit? Perhaps Terry Ryan really is under demand from ownership to make/save them as much money as possible?
Typically teams accept the cash considerations because they are right at their budget, and want to make sure they keep payroll where it needs to be.
I can't see any other reason why a team in our payroll situation would take the cash considerations, instead of as John puts it, "digging deep in the KC system to try to find something". Even if that player has a 1% chance or less of ever amounting to anything, that is still better than money that isn't going to be used for anything to help the product on the field.


The Twins, attributed through a source "close to the situation", made the admission 2 years ago through the main-stream-media of significant and continued payroll-cutting over the next 2-3 seasons likely being their prime objective- projections of a payroll as low as $50-55M were even openly speculated upon. The fates of Cuddyer, Kubel and Nathan were largely sealed after the July 31 trading deadline and during the ensuing public disclosure and debate, with some 60 games still on the schedule. The high supplemental draft picks were obviously discerned to be the lynchpin in jump-starting a long-term rebuild. Again, this happened 2 years ago in 2011, during this month of August, and obviously Bill Smith wasn't the source. So far, they have held up their source's end of that admission fully.

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 05:17 PM

Maybe the PTBNL options KC were floating were garbage? Ryan knows what he is doing. Carroll had zero value and no reason to be on this team.

If the "options" weren't worth even taking a flier on, you might as well just take the cash.

At the end of the day, who cares? The way I look at it, we traded Caroll and butera and got a pretty decent prospect in return, that is a net win in my book.

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 05:27 PM

Ryan knows what he is doing.


Are you sure about that?

Must be all the World Series rings...

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#11 TheLeviathan

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 05:30 PM

The way I look at it, we traded Caroll and butera and got a pretty decent prospect in return, that is a net win in my book.


Sure, but it's sort of silly to combine deals to evaluate them. I could care less what they got for Carroll, I personally find this result amusing given some other things with the state of the team, but in the end no big deal.

It's just confusing how the team is holding out so hard in some negotiations and not others.

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 05:48 PM

I'm sure there is a six-year minor league free agent or a 40-man guy who will be dropped from the roster that the Twins could've had...or someone, anyone, from the lowest of minors.

Where does this cash go, combined with getting rid of Jamey;s salary, Mauer's week of paternity leave. Is it for some season ending party? Doubt it will be spent next year, unless they wish to upgrade the executive lounge or something........

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 05:52 PM

well, The Pohlad's do love their cash

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 06:07 PM

Terry is doing his job!
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Posted 30 August 2013 - 06:29 PM

Are you sure about that?

Must be all the World Series rings...

FACT: Ryan has been the Twins' GM twice. Both times his teams had worse record than his predecessor's.



This is ridiculously misleading, and you know it. That's like saying that Abraham Lincoln was in more wars than his predecessor, and therefore he must have been incredibly belligerent. And how many times have you seen a GM fired from a team in World Series contention?

Anyway, back on topic, I'm just not seeing why we'd want a guy who'll just block our good prospects and/or be released at the end of the year anyway. I can't muster the ability to care.

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 07:08 PM

As I understand it, I think they did it as a service to Jamey. Jamey's not exactly worth his inflated contract much less some extra cash. That said, it's always more fun (as fans) to get any kind of player because you can dream on them. (That we received a warm body for Butera I think has made us a bit irrational in what to expect in these type of trades).

I just don't think saving the bosses some loot is as damnable as so many seem to. Nor do I believe this is an indication of the Front Office's ideology or things to come.

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 07:12 PM

They traded a guy of no value and received an equal return. There is no reason to take a guy from the Royals headed for minor league free agency. There is no reason to expect anything better.

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 07:23 PM

Anyway, back on topic, I'm just not seeing why we'd want a guy who'll just block our good prospects and/or be released at the end of the year anyway. I can't muster the ability to care.


In this case there is a good chance that cash was the best we'd get and we did this more for Carroll then us. Fine, but if there was something on the table like what we got for Butera - your other considerations should never be on the table.

Prospects flame out all the time, the more ammo your farm has, the better your odds of a successful rebuild.

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 07:40 PM

But they would not do the same favor for Morneau?

What I just typed is probably an opinion, not a fact. I mean, I'm usually right, so you should maybe assume it is or will be a fact soon, but that's up to you. :) Also, I am NOT trying to convince anyone I am correct, I'm just talking here, not arguing.


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Posted 30 August 2013 - 08:29 PM

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