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#1 powrwrap

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 09:48 AM

The Twins just set a single season record for strikeouts with 1,127, eclipsing the record of 1,121 set by the woeful 1997 club. The Twins are 25th in MLB in runs scored and 26th in BA. They are on a pace to set a new AL record for strikeouts in a season.

They are terrible at getting hits with runners in scoring position. I read in the Strib today that the Twins have gone 38 consecutive innings without scoring more than one run.

In years past this sort of futility would lead to Twins' fans brandishing torches and pitchforks and yelling for the firing of the batting coach. This year, I've hardly heard a peep. Why is that?

Yes, this team has some young and/or lousy hitters but so did the 1997 club. But look at the Marlins, an NL team with a pitcher getting a couple of ABs per game--they are young AND lousy and they only have 964 strikeouts.

Should Tom Brunansky's job security be called into question?
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Posted 29 August 2013 - 09:48 AM

Not yet.

#3 Marta Shearing

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 09:58 AM

Bruno's had so much talent to work with.

#4 Joe A. Preusser

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 10:02 AM

I give any hitting coach (or any coach for that matter) 3 years to evaluate. It serves no point to have a revolving door of coaches.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 10:05 AM

It doesn't help that Vavra is still with the club. I could see some of the other players still going to him for advice as well. They may be sending mixed messages.

Then again, Vavra is a professional and could be telling players seeking his advice to go to Bruno instead. Who knows.

I'd say his job is secure for now though.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 10:06 AM

I was thinking it was surprising how little anti-Bruno stuff we've heard, compared to anti-Gardy and anti-Andy stuff (and those two have good track records). I don't really care one way or other. I think the Twins should add another Spanish speaking coach and if that's the hitting coach, fine. I don't particularly think Bruno's a good hitting coach but I don't think it matters that much. I think it's up to Gardy. If Gardy tells Ryan he doesn't like Bruno, Bruno will be gone. If Gardy's fired, I think a new manager would want to bring in his own coaches.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 10:07 AM

I give any hitting coach (or any coach for that matter) 3 years to evaluate. It serves no point to have a revolving door of coaches.

3 years of this ? The Twins have 2 former hitting coaches (Vavra and Ullger) who can evaluate the job Bruno is doing. If he wasn't competent he would be gone already.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 10:07 AM

A good question.

Hicks was an utter failure.

Parmelee didn't advance.

Plouffe is an enigma.

Part of the issue is the players he was dealt. Plus, the long-term of the players he worked with previously in the minors and currently in the majors.

How much work to you put into, say, a Clete Thomas at some point.

I would've expected better with new bench coach Terry Steinbacj, with Vavra and his sheets of paper running about, and Bruno...plus the mastermind of Gardenhire filling out the lineup card.

When you have no bonifide #1 and #2 hitter, you suck. When you don't have a clean-up bat continuously in the line-up, you suck. Mauer is #3. Willingham and Morneau are #5's.

Hitting wise, it has been a disaster. Especially the strikeouts with men on base.

Round Two with the same crew or totally clean house, that is the decision that needs to be made.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 10:39 AM

In years past this sort of futility would lead to Twins' fans brandishing torches and pitchforks and yelling for the firing of the batting coach. This year, I've hardly heard a peep. Why is that?


Appathy? Two years ago we would have been calling for his dismissal but we have grown accustomed to this level of incomepetence.

Besides, when a business is in a nose dive, no one calls for the guy in the mail room to get canned, they lynch the CEO. Ryan and Gardenhire are the ones in the crosshairs and for good reasons. After all, Bruno didn't hire himself.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 10:57 AM

In years past this sort of futility would lead to Twins' fans brandishing torches and pitchforks and yelling for the firing of the batting coach. This year, I've hardly heard a peep. Why is that?


Because many of the people calling for Vavra's head last year were touting Brunansky as a replacement? Does make it kind of awkward to be critical of him this year - nothing like the taste of of your own toes to kind of spoil the whole day.:)

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 11:07 AM

I think most people understand it takes awhile for a new coach to institute his ways, especially if they are different than the ways being taught for years by someone else.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 02:59 PM

The Twins just set a single season record for strikeouts with 1,127, eclipsing the record of 1,121 set by the woeful 1997 club. The Twins are 25th in MLB in runs scored and 26th in BA. They are on a pace to set a new AL record for strikeouts in a season.


Apparently you haven't been paying attention to the Houston Astros (which is certainly understandable). They are already at 1252 strikeouts.

Let's see how Bruno does when he has some talent before we make a decision. Not that our decision carries any weight. :)

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 03:55 PM

Bruno's had so much talent to work with.


That doesn't seem to be the theme that I recall hearing going into the year. I (almost universally) heard everywhere coming into this season that our offense would not be the problem, and would actually be one of the better lineups in the league.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 03:59 PM

The most alarming (to me anyways) thing about the strikeouts is that it is coming from a team almost completely devoid of power.
Striking out because you are swinging for the fences is one thing, striking out this much when you are simply trying to slap the ball into play is quite alarming.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 04:10 PM

This is having it both ways. People defend Gardy because he doesn't have anything to work with. So Bruno has good hitters to work with but Gardy has bad ones?

Clean sweep all of them gone. If they are good coaches they will get another job.
But unless Ryan gets better players it won't matter anyway.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 04:30 PM

That doesn't seem to be the theme that I recall hearing going into the year. I (almost universally) heard everywhere coming into this season that our offense would not be the problem, and would actually be one of the better lineups in the league.


That's weird...considering we lost our #1 and #2 hitters...it was pretty obvious we'd see a dropoff on offense. I mentioned it many times and I'm hardly the only one.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 04:38 PM

That's weird...considering we lost our #1 and #2 hitters...it was pretty obvious we'd see a dropoff on offense. I mentioned it many times and I'm hardly the only one.


I would have agreed with you, I didn't see much talent on either side of the ball, but we were in the minority.
Phil Mackey predicted we would have one of the best lineups in all of baseball.
ALL of the Strib writers said that our lineup would be fine, it was pitching that would be our problem.
You would have been in the minority in here. If you'd like I can go dig up the threads coming into the season, it was at least 80/20 with the vast majority thinking our offense would be at least league average.

Regarding losing Span, go find the Hicks thread during ST. The majority opinion was that he'd at worst only be a slight step back from Span, with several posters even saying he'd be an upgrade over Span, immediately.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 05:39 PM

The most alarming (to me anyways) thing about the strikeouts is that it is coming from a team almost completely devoid of power.
Striking out because you are swinging for the fences is one thing, striking out this much when you are simply trying to slap the ball into play is quite alarming.


Haven't seen Dozier's name raised in Bruno's defense yet. He might be the one guy who fits the profile that you are describing, trading some extra whiffs for some extra pop to supplement a low BA.

Guys who already show some pop in the majors, maybe aren't benefitting from Bruno's approach yet.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 08:53 PM

Appathy? Two years ago we would have been calling for his dismissal but we have grown accustomed to this level of incomepetence.

Besides, when a business is in a nose dive, no one calls for the guy in the mail room to get canned, they lynch the CEO. Ryan and Gardenhire are the ones in the crosshairs and for good reasons. After all, Bruno didn't hire himself.


Yes, Brunansky's job security should be called into question. But I would think most people are drumming their fingers waiting for Ryan to fire Gardenhire, or Pohlad to fire Ryan (or Gardenhire to fire Ryan) or whatever. Not sure about these fans who are so inured to mediocrity that they get offended -- after three consecutive 90-loss seasons -- when someone suggests firing a coach. The "blame the players" mentality fostered by the coaches, FO and Media is disturbing. Look at the vitriol aimed at Mauer, an MVP and three time batting champion not to mention fine defensively (if not the greatest handler of pitchers) -- there's your unintended secondary effect of the "our players are horrible" media campaign. True, are current guys are not the greatest, but they deserve better leadership. Dozier is a good story but the overall record is pretty cut and dried.

As for Brunansky, we traded him in 1988, which was a bit of a shock, but I remember TK telling the media afterward that "we're not getting through to that guy, have you seen him? doesn't think he has a job to do anymore", that's essentially what TK said after Brunansky was traded. The Twins don't "owe" him a couple more years to teach our players his "system" nor do we need to keep Steinbach around either "just because he's Steinbach" -- to Rosterman's question I say Clean house.

#20 Mr. Brooks

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 08:57 PM

I don't think anyone is saying that we "owe" Brunansky anything. I think they are saying that 1 season is not enough to judge his effectiveness.