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#1 Nick Nelson

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 10:12 AM

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#2 mike wants wins

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 10:21 AM

Fangraphs' prospect expert basically laughed off the concept that Dozier would block a top prospect like Rosario.....but....

I also expect them to be conservative, and to move him to AAA next year. And to see what Dozier is/is not next year. Plenty of other top prospects in other orgs move up, based on talent not numbers, from level to level. I don't know they'll do that here or not.....

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 10:28 AM

I like this series of articles so far. Thanks. A few weeks ago Mr. Stohs wrote an article about Dozier's numbers trending positively and there were many comments after that. It seems pretty logical that with Dozier playing well it would make sense to let Rosario prepare more slowly for AAAA. I hope the do not move him back to OF. Its nice to have this "issue." I look forward to a day when discussions like this happen about the pitching staff.

Edited by Steve Penz, 19 August 2013 - 11:57 AM.


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 11:10 AM

Dozier has done exactly what fans wanted Plouffe, Parmalee and him to do: show improvement while getting regular at-bats. Speaking for all fans, Plouffe and Parmalee should not be given another opportunity if its going to block talented youngsters. On the other hand, Dozier may be performing well enough that Rosario needs to break down the gate at AAA next year to get a call up as Dozier is more than holding his own defensively and is taking a very positive turn offensively.

It wouldn't be too bad of a situation to keep a Gold Glove (yes, I said it) caliber player in Dozier where he is and move Rosario to LF. I am assuming that Rosario will get a September call up in 2014 or possibly earlier, but more than likely be in the running for a full-time job in 2015. Buxton in CF, by then with Arcia/Hicks in RF.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 11:27 AM

Keep in mind Rosario's numbers were very good up until a bit over a week ago. He's been in a slump. That's the SSS of AA. I suspect he opens the season in Rochester with Sano for 2014. I'm perfectly fine with that. If Dozier is a mirage, then Rosario will likely get his chance sometime next year. If not, the Twins have a good problem, but I would hope Dozier finds his way back to SS since there really isn't much close in terms of impact talent.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 12:00 PM

If they think Rosario is ready for the majors, I think they need to give Dozier another shot at short, or see what they could get pitching wise via trade.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 12:58 PM

If they think Rosario is ready for the majors, I think they need to give Dozier another shot at short, or see what they could get pitching wise via trade.


I like the idea of trading Dozier for a legitimate MLB SP if possible. Rosario's ceiling is high enough to risk losing Dozier to fill a more needy position. Otherwise no need to rush him out of AAA.

Edited by troyhobbs, 19 August 2013 - 04:08 PM.


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 01:08 PM

I like the improvement by Dozier but I'm still not sold on him. Start Rosario in AAA next year till Dozier either loses his job at 2B or cements it. Rosario will only be 22 next year so there is no rush to get him to the bigs.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 01:27 PM

I would sacrifice some defense at SS to get too decent to good middle infield bats in the lineup. What's one error on defense when the pitching is giving up two doubles an inning anyway?

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 01:41 PM

I'd like to see Sano and Rosario get promoted to Rochester for the playoff run. There aren't a lot of guys at the MLB level who have a relationship with winning baseball and I'd like these two to know what it is and like the taste of it.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 04:24 PM

Fangraphs' prospect expert basically laughed off the concept that Dozier would block a top prospect like Rosario.....but....

I also expect them to be conservative, and to move him to AAA next year. And to see what Dozier is/is not next year. Plenty of other top prospects in other orgs move up, based on talent not numbers, from level to level. I don't know they'll do that here or not.....


Yea that one kinda peeved me off because he clearly had no idea how Dozier's been doing as of late.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 04:34 PM

Anything that promotes either of these two individuals to Minnesota (Rosario or Sano) until next year would be flat out dumb. There is a good chance that they might not make the opening day roster next year and then it will be important to delay their Super Two arbitration status. I am fine if one forces your hand next spring to start them on the roster ... but to assume that is likely and promote them in September to win meaningless baseball games that they are actually better off losing is dumb. I agree with the send them to Rochester approach although I assume you need to demote someone then ... which would seem kind of unfair to whoever contributed to them being in the playoffs.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 04:47 PM

Anything that promotes either of these two individuals to Minnesota (Rosario or Sano) until next year would be flat out dumb. There is a good chance that they might not make the opening day roster next year and then it will be important to delay their Super Two arbitration status. I am fine if one forces your hand next spring to start them on the roster ... but to assume that is likely and promote them in September to win meaningless baseball games that they are actually better off losing is dumb. I agree with the send them to Rochester approach although I assume you need to demote someone then ... which would seem kind of unfair to whoever contributed to them being in the playoffs.


You mean like Aaron Hicks this year? How'd that work out?
If they think he's ready he should be here, if not he shouldn't, but I would sure as hell hope that the Twins have learned their lesson and that Spring Training will have absolutely nothing to do with that decision.
We're talking about practice.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 04:52 PM

Fangraphs' prospect expert basically laughed off the concept that Dozier would block a top prospect like Rosario.....but....


And I'll laugh off that he actually laughed off to that. Some expert.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 05:55 PM

You mean like Aaron Hicks this year? How'd that work out?
If they think he's ready he should be here, if not he shouldn't, but I would sure as hell hope that the Twins have learned their lesson and that Spring Training will have absolutely nothing to do with that decision.
We're talking about practice.


So why do they have spring training then, why not just write in next year's lineups after the last game of the season, and who did earn the opening day CF spot if not Hicks?

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 06:06 PM

So why do they have spring training then, why not just write in next year's lineups after the last game of the season, and who did earn the opening day CF spot if not Hicks?


I'm guessing to get ready for the season? Maybe so pitchers can work on certain pitches, maybe get their pitch counts up?
Maybe so that the first time hitters see live pitching in months it's not in a game that counts?
Maybe so they can work on PFP, work on turning double plays, hitting cut off men, etc.
Are you telling me that the opening day roster should be set based on ST numbers?
Boy, I hope Mauer never has a bad spring training, does he have any options left?

I'm not saying Hicks did or did not earn the CF job. If he did it should be based on his track record as a whole, and what the coaches see as his strengths and weaknesses, not because he can put up the best numbers in a tiny sample size of pretend games against mixed competition.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 06:40 PM

The Twins are one of four teams still in on Cuban "SS" Guerrero. If they sign him the would give us two guys who profile as 2B but could be below average defensive SS and a top 50 2B prospect. That would give us 3 true 2B with questions surrounding them.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 07:46 PM

Dozier has done exactly what fans wanted Plouffe, Parmalee and him to do: show improvement while getting regular at-bats..


To be fair, Dozier has had some brutal stretches we rode out this year. It'd be nice if Parms had gotten that same opportunity. I think that's so crucial for prospects at their point of development.

As for Rosario, I hope he and Sano play in the playoffs this year with AAA and then see June call-ups next year.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 07:51 PM

Dozier at age 26 has emerged as a decent bat (.243/.311/.417) + good glove at 2nd base, a nice sort of player to have on the roster, especially as a compliment to a few real big bats in the middle of your lineup. But I wouldn't say that Dozier is an essential building block, one of the core players in the next good Twins team, or someone who should be blocking any top prospects.

He buys the club some time to let Rosario develop some more in the minors next season. If Dozier's plate production improves in his age 27 season, I'd say sell high on him--especially if Rosario looks ready to come up to the majors by next summer or at the end of the season. If Dozier's bat regresses, well, too bad, but then he still might help the team after being shifted to a utility role.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 08:05 PM

I'm guessing to get ready for the season? Maybe so pitchers can work on certain pitches, maybe get their pitch counts up?
Maybe so that the first time hitters see live pitching in months it's not in a game that counts?
Maybe so they can work on PFP, work on turning double plays, hitting cut off men, etc.
Are you telling me that the opening day roster should be set based on ST numbers?
Boy, I hope Mauer never has a bad spring training, does he have any options left?

I'm not saying Hicks did or did not earn the CF job. If he did it should be based on his track record as a whole, and what the coaches see as his strengths and weaknesses, not because he can put up the best numbers in a tiny sample size of pretend games against mixed competition.


I'm just messing with you a little bit. I know for veterans it's next to nothing but I think young guys can win spots w strong ST showings. I don't see Rosario doing this but regardless, the Hicks situation was different especially with the trades, Mastro's injury and Joe Benson's lack of hitting.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 08:06 PM

What about Rosario's production shows he is ready? His bat has been fine but he is slumping and needs to make an adjustment. He D has been fine but not good enough to ride that to MLB alone. He had a good June, great July and so far, a poor August.
Give him a spring invite and track his progress in the Winter leagues...but...baring some kind of injury, I can't see how he makes the club coming out of spring.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 08:34 PM

I'm just messing with you a little bit. I know for veterans it's next to nothing but I think young guys can win spots w strong ST showings. I don't see Rosario doing this but regardless, the Hicks situation was different especially with the trades, Mastro's injury and Joe Benson's lack of hitting.


Oh yeah, I won't debate that. I know guys DO win jobs based on ST numbers. I'm saying that they SHOULDN'T.
Hopefully the Twins have learned their lesson in putting too much stock in a small sample size of AB's that take place in completely different conditions, and against completely different competition than actual MLB games.
Perhaps the Twins were planning to give Hicks the job regardless of his performance, and the ST numbers just made that an easy sell so they wen't with it. But, that is beside the point, my point is that ST numbers don't necessarily translate to MLB performance.
I believe last ST it was Nick Blackburn that was putting up numbers that had everyone talking.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 10:07 PM

You mean like Aaron Hicks this year? How'd that work out?
If they think he's ready he should be here, if not he shouldn't, but I would sure as hell hope that the Twins have learned their lesson and that Spring Training will have absolutely nothing to do with that decision.
We're talking about practice.


We ain't talking about the game. We talking about practice, man.

#24 Mr. Brooks

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 10:51 PM


We ain't talking about the game. We talking about practice, man.


LOL, 11 years later that video still hasn't gotten old.

"How the hell can I make my teammates better by practicing?" HAHA.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 12:10 AM

But I wouldn't say that Dozier is an essential building block, one of the core players in the next good Twins team, or someone who should be blocking any top prospects.

I wouldn't say that either, yet. If he keeps improving over the course of the final month and a half and keeps doing the same thing next season, then we have a legitimate starting 2B.

As I keep saying, odds are this situation just works itself out. Rosario might bust. Dozier might be a mirage. If they both end up being as advertised, then we have a good problem on our hands, but I wouldn't make any moves based on trying to predict how either of these guys will progress in the next year.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 06:58 AM

Dozier Vs Rosario
A decent offensive middle infielder who can show excellent defense is a rare commodity. That makes what Dozier has done special and a rare bright spot on this team. Rosario may turn out better than Dozier but as a AA prospect, that is only a projection, not a guarantee. I do not want to trade something that works for something that we hope will work (prospect pitcher) based on what we believe Rosario will be.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 08:06 AM

I wouldn't say that either, yet. If he keeps improving over the course of the final month and a half and keeps doing the same thing next season, then we have a legitimate starting 2B.

As I keep saying, odds are this situation just works itself out. Rosario might bust. Dozier might be a mirage. If they both end up being as advertised, then we have a good problem on our hands, but I wouldn't make any moves based on trying to predict how either of these guys will progress in the next year.


This sounds very reasonable. Unless something forces an early decision (like a massive trade offer), wait on it. More information will only make the decision easier and better grounded.

Love this series of articles. Twins Dailey staff did a nice job coming up with this concept.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 08:15 AM

I try not to make many calls, but Rosario is going to kill it. When you bat .301 and slug .516 after FRACTURING YOUR FACE, you're legit.

I went for one autograph at spring training. Eddie Rosario.

On topic, I hope he takes over second base on June 15th, 2014 and never looks back.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 06:58 PM

Rosario seems more ready than Sano but both are not ready for September call ups.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 07:20 PM

Rosario seems more ready than Sano but both are not ready for September call ups.


In what way does Rosario look more ready than Sano?