Jump to content

Providing independent coverage of the Minnesota Twins.

The same great Twins Daily coverage, now for the Vikings.

The Store


Photo

Who do you want to see replace Baker?

  • Please log in to reply
67 replies to this topic

#1 Parker Hageman

Parker Hageman

    Owner

  • Administrators
  • 1,386 posts

Posted 11 April 2012 - 03:59 PM

According the presser, it sounds like the Twins will go forward with either Liam Hendriks or Anthony Swarzak as internal options. Likely no moves to be made from outside of the organization. Nevertheless, who would you replace Baker with going forward this season? Stay put or spend money or prospects on bringing someone in?

#2 Seth Stohs

Seth Stohs

    Owner

  • Administrators
  • 7,563 posts

Posted 11 April 2012 - 04:03 PM

Hendriks is the right choice, as soon as he's able. Marquis will be up soon and Swarzak can go back to the 'pen.

#3 Thrylos

Thrylos

    Yes

  • Members
  • 4,330 posts
  • LocationLehigh Valley, PA, USA
  • Twitter: thrylos98

Posted 11 April 2012 - 04:05 PM

Who do I want to replace Scott Baker: Kevin Slowey Who will replace Scott Baker: Liam Hendriks and/or Anthony Swarzak
-----
Blogging Twins since 2007 at The Tenth Inning Stretch
http://tenthinningst...h.blogspot.com/
twitter: @thrylos98

#4 John Bonnes

John Bonnes

    Owner

  • Administrators
  • 4,966 posts

Posted 11 April 2012 - 04:13 PM

I know Diamond in starting in AAA, but who else is in the rotation down there? I'm just wondering about additional depth.

#5 dabecka

dabecka

    Junior Member

  • Members
  • 10 posts

Posted 11 April 2012 - 04:13 PM

Actually the right choice was never to sign Jason Marquis since Swarzak is essentially the cheaper equivalent. I understand TR's need for depth, but Marquis was a decent signing. I hate to see him starting over Swarzak though. I feel Anthony deserves a shot.

#6 twinswon1991

twinswon1991

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 256 posts

Posted 11 April 2012 - 04:22 PM

Marquis is a batting practice pitcher that should be released. Slowey is 100% better than Marquis but our clueless gm values nice guys because they get along with gardy. Bring up guys from our poor minor league system to get the innings since they will lose 110 games regardless.

#7 James

James

    Sideburns Specialist

  • Members
  • 1,428 posts
  • LocationThe dive bars of NE Minneapolis

Posted 11 April 2012 - 04:25 PM

Actually the right choice was never to sign Jason Marquis since Swarzak is essentially the cheaper equivalent. I understand TR's need for depth, but Marquis was a decent signing. I hate to see him starting over Swarzak though. I feel Anthony deserves a shot.

I think the idea was Marquis is a relatively cheap starter that puts in a lot of innings and creates a ton of ground balls. I think TR was trying to save some bullpen arms that way.

I think this is Hendricks' time to prove he's ready. Hopefully, he has a great year.

You can come up with statistics to prove anything. Forty percent of all people know that.


#8 Thrylos

Thrylos

    Yes

  • Members
  • 4,330 posts
  • LocationLehigh Valley, PA, USA
  • Twitter: thrylos98

Posted 11 April 2012 - 04:36 PM

I know Diamond in starting in AAA, but who else is in the rotation down there? I'm just wondering about additional depth.


PJ Walters
Sam Deduno
Cole DeVries
Darryl Tompson

Maybe PJ Walters but I do not see any of the others. I do like Deduno & DeVriesbut not as starters
-----
Blogging Twins since 2007 at The Tenth Inning Stretch
http://tenthinningst...h.blogspot.com/
twitter: @thrylos98

#9 shs_59

shs_59

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 206 posts

Posted 11 April 2012 - 04:41 PM

Likely: Scott Diamond, Jeff Manship, Anthony Swarzak IT SUCKS because Swarzak could of been our BEST bullpen option outside of Perk. Unlikely: Alex Wimmers, Dave Bromberg, Bobby Lanigan Even more Unlikely: Roy Oswalt

Top Twins prospects ? 1.Byron Buxton (OF-A+)
2.Miguel Sano (3B-AA) 3.Alex Meyer (SP-AAA) 4. Kohl Stewart (SP-A) 5. J.O. Berrios (P-AA) 6.Nick Gordon (SS-RK)  7. *Josmil Pinto (C-AAA) 8.Jorge Polanco (2B-AA)  9. L. Thorpe (SP-A) 10. *Trevor May (SP-AAA) 11.Kennys Vargas (1B-AAA) 12.Travis Harrison (OF-A+) 13.Eddie Rosario (2B-AA) 14. Max Kepler (OF-A+) 15.Nick Burdi (RP-A)  Just Missed :P P Tyler Duffey, SS Aderlin Mejia, P Stephen Gonsalves, C Stuart Turner.


#10 VodkaDave

VodkaDave

    Banned

  • Banned
  • 97 posts

Posted 11 April 2012 - 04:43 PM

I know Diamond in starting in AAA, but who else is in the rotation down there? I'm just wondering about additional depth.


The rest of the AAA rotation is pretty weak. Diamond I imagine would be the next up. Though it will be Hendriks/Marquis for the time being I imagine. Diamond, Swarzak and Duesing in case things get even worse :(

Edited by VodkaDave, 11 April 2012 - 04:45 PM.


#11 VodkaDave

VodkaDave

    Banned

  • Banned
  • 97 posts

Posted 11 April 2012 - 04:44 PM

Likely: Scott Diamond, Jeff Manship, Anthony Swarzak


IT SUCKS because Swarzak could of been our BEST bullpen option outside of Perk.

Unlikely: Alex Wimmers, Dave Bromberg, Bobby Lanigan

Even more Unlikely: Roy Oswalt


Swarzak still will have the opp to be a bullpen guy.

Current rotation within a week will be: Liriano, Pavano, Blackburn, Hendriks, Marquis
Ouch. If Liriano coming back to form wasn't important before, it certainly is now, he is now the only guy in the rotation who has even the slightest potential to be better then a #3.

#12 John Bonnes

John Bonnes

    Owner

  • Administrators
  • 4,966 posts

Posted 11 April 2012 - 04:45 PM

Yes. Poor Slowey. He's just misunderstood. :rolleyes: I want to like Swarzak, I really do. But the numbers just aren't there. Not in the majors as a starter (5.22 ERA) or even in the minors (5.5 K/9 in AAA). I'm not crazy about Hendriks, just because I really think they're rushing him. But he's my choice, outside of going and getting another starter. Any other free agents out there besides Oswalt? - Justin Duchsererer? His name would fit right in, spelling wise. - Jon Garland? - Scott Kazmir? - Carlos Silva?

#13 TwinsFanLV

TwinsFanLV

    Member

  • Members
  • 55 posts

Posted 11 April 2012 - 04:50 PM

Three lefties in the pen is one more than we need. How about asking the three of them who might like to start? What does a team planning to lose 100 games need three lefty relievers to do?

#14 VodkaDave

VodkaDave

    Banned

  • Banned
  • 97 posts

Posted 11 April 2012 - 04:55 PM

Yes. Poor Slowey. He's just misunderstood. :rolleyes:

I want to like Swarzak, I really do. But the numbers just aren't there. Not in the majors as a starter (5.22 ERA) or even in the minors (5.5 K/9 in AAA). I'm not crazy about Hendriks, just because I really think they're rushing him. But he's my choice, outside of going and getting another starter.

Any other free agents out there besides Oswalt?

- Justin Duchsererer? His name would fit right in, spelling wise.
- Jon Garland?
- Scott Kazmir?
- Carlos Silva?

Lannahan could prob be had somewhat cheaply in a trade, but he isn't anything special.

I wouldn't mind them going after a guy like Cecil, Drabek or Cobb if the cost isn't a whole lot. Get a guy that actually has some potential upside who could stick in the rotation for more than a year.

None of the free agents interest me besides Oswalt, and unless the Twins jet into first place he won't be coming here anytime soon. Also, I agree on Slowey, people need to stop acting like the Twins made some massive mistake by trading him. Colorado loved him so much that they traded him to Cleveland for next to nothing, and Cleveland loved him so much they immediately shipped him to AAA.

#15 VodkaDave

VodkaDave

    Banned

  • Banned
  • 97 posts

Posted 11 April 2012 - 04:58 PM

Three lefties in the pen is one more than we need. How about asking the three of them who might like to start?
What does a team planning to lose 100 games need three lefty relievers to do?


Perkins- No, he needs to continue to build off his success in the pen. He is the set up guy anyways and isn't used like a typical LOOGY.
Duensing- Has already gotten plenty of starts, has pretty poor splits and has a lot more value in the pen.
Maloney- Meh, pretty mediocre, I'd rather see about 10 Twins prospects ahead of him (Diamond, Hendriks, Swarzak, etc)

#16 jimbo92107

jimbo92107

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 554 posts

Posted 11 April 2012 - 05:08 PM

Swarzak doesn't have overpowering stuff, but he does have a great bulldog attitude. Key to his success will be developing precision, being able to pick corners, vary his speed, etc. In other words, he needs to become a clever bulldog with good aim. Hendriks takes Baker's spot, but Swarzak may contend for it if Hendriks falters. Of the two, Hendriks appears to have more talent, but Swarzak has the bulldog attitude. Reminds me a little of Blackburn that way. Who in the minors could step up? No idea, but I'd love to see David Bromberg succeed this year.

#17 jimbo92107

jimbo92107

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 554 posts

Posted 11 April 2012 - 05:13 PM

Duensing- Has already gotten plenty of starts, has pretty poor splits and has a lot more value in the pen.


I think Brian Duensing is a better pitcher than people realize. A lot of young pitchers have up-and-down seasons when they first emerge from the minors, then later stabilize into consistent performers. I think Duensing is about ready to show that he can do the job consistently, as a reliever or a starter. At the moment, I'd still rather see him in the bull pen because he's very effective, but if needed he could step in and spot start as well as Swarzak, or better.

#18 THE DFC

THE DFC

    Member

  • Members
  • 37 posts

Posted 11 April 2012 - 05:22 PM

You throw Hendriks to the fire and cross your fingers that he can handle it. If he proves he's not ready, you give Swarzak then Diamond shots to prove themselves. Swarzak and Diamond are really at the sink or swim point in their careers as potential starters. They'll likely sink, but unlike almost anyone else in AAA or in the Twins' pen, they at least have a chance to swim. I'd let them ride out the rest of the season to see if at least one of the two can figure it out. It's not like we have a lot to lose. As VodkaDave pointed out above, Perkins and Duensing need to stay in the pen. They're very good options there. Their roles are set. Don't mess with them.

#19 VodkaDave

VodkaDave

    Banned

  • Banned
  • 97 posts

Posted 11 April 2012 - 05:25 PM

I think Brian Duensing is a better pitcher than people realize. A lot of young pitchers have up-and-down seasons when they first emerge from the minors, then later stabilize into consistent performers. I think Duensing is about ready to show that he can do the job consistently, as a reliever or a starter. At the moment, I'd still rather see him in the bull pen because he's very effective, but if needed he could step in and spot start as well as Swarzak, or better.


I'm not down on him, and he is one of my more favorite pitchers, but the fact is he gets hit pretty hard by righties. Teams figured this out and eventually started stacking lineups against him which is why he ended up with a lackluster 5.23 ERA last year. He is a pretty effective LOOGY and a replacement level starter. Why not maximize his value and keep him in the pen?

[TABLE="class: sortable stats_table"]
[TR="class: hl"]
[TD="align: right"].300[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]/.358[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]/.476[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]/.834[/TD]
[TD="align: right"] are what righties hit off him in his career. I agree he is ok for a spot start here and there if needed, but his true value is in the pen against lefties who have a
[TABLE="class: sortable stats_table"]
[TR="class: hl"]
[TD="align: right"]203[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].247[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].263[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].510[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
line off him.[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

side note to mods: this formatting issue above has now came up a couple times, maybe you can turn something off in the forum options?

#20 mikeee

mikeee

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 815 posts

Posted 11 April 2012 - 05:27 PM

Yes. Poor Slowey. He's just misunderstood. :rolleyes:

I want to like Swarzak, I really do. But the numbers just aren't there. Not in the majors as a starter (5.22 ERA) or even in the minors (5.5 K/9 in AAA). I'm not crazy about Hendriks, just because I really think they're rushing him. But he's my choice, outside of going and getting another starter.

Any other free agents out there besides Oswalt?

- Justin Duchsererer? His name would fit right in, spelling wise.
- Jon Garland?
- Scott Kazmir?
- Carlos Silva?


You forgot Livan Hernandez.

#21 mike wants wins

mike wants wins

    Would Like to be More Positive

  • Members
  • 6,234 posts

Posted 11 April 2012 - 05:28 PM

Um, isn't it Hendriks? Why keep saving these young guys?
Lighten up Francis....

#22 Kneelb4zerg

Kneelb4zerg

    Member

  • Members
  • 42 posts

Posted 11 April 2012 - 05:56 PM

Who do I want to replace Scott Baker: Kevin Slowey
Who will replace Scott Baker: Liam Hendriks and/or Anthony Swarzak


I wish people would stop acting butthurt about Slowey. Why don't all the spurned Twins fans plan a trip to Buffalo or wherever the hell Cleveland's AAA team is so you all can have a big pity party and talk to Kevin about climbing Mt Kilamanjaro.

#23 Riverbrian

Riverbrian

    Goofy Moderator

  • Twins Mods
  • 9,804 posts
  • LocationGrand Forks

Posted 11 April 2012 - 06:03 PM

To replace Baker... The best choice is Matt Moore. Moore would probably be a tough get. Hendricks is the answer. The kid just got his chance to make a MLB statement. I hope he runs with it.

#24 Nick Nelson

Nick Nelson

    Owner

  • Administrators
  • 2,085 posts

Posted 11 April 2012 - 06:20 PM

I think it'll be Hendriks, who actually could hold his own, albeit not at a Baker level. The problem is that the next guy in line is now Swarzak or Maloney or Diamond. This could get ugly in a hurry when another starter inevitably needs to miss time.

#25 VodkaDave

VodkaDave

    Banned

  • Banned
  • 97 posts

Posted 11 April 2012 - 06:23 PM

You forgot Livan Hernandez.

Atlanta signed him!

#26 nicksaviking

nicksaviking

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 3,738 posts

Posted 11 April 2012 - 06:25 PM

No need to consider Slowey any longer, but I do remember after Nathan went down in spring training 2010, the Twins were scrambling for closing options and a Slowey/CJ Wilson trade was rumored to be in discussion and the Rangers were actaully going to have to kick in another piece as Slowey's trade value was higher than the Rangers set up man. The Twins never trade players at their peak. Probably just as well though, it's doubtful the Twins would have had the foresight to transfer Wilson to the rotation.

#27 alarp33

alarp33

    Member

  • Members
  • 79 posts

Posted 11 April 2012 - 07:28 PM

Swarzak doesn't have overpowering stuff, but he does have a great bulldog attitude. Key to his success will be developing precision, being able to pick corners, vary his speed, etc. In other words, he needs to become a clever bulldog with good aim.

Hendriks takes Baker's spot, but Swarzak may contend for it if Hendriks falters. Of the two, Hendriks appears to have more talent, but Swarzak has the bulldog attitude. Reminds me a little of Blackburn that way. Who in the minors could step up? No idea, but I'd love to see David Bromberg succeed this year.


Is that you Gardy? If only we could quantify that "bulldog attitude" into results.

#28 gunnarthor

gunnarthor

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 2,827 posts

Posted 11 April 2012 - 08:38 PM

I wish people would stop acting butthurt about Slowey. Why don't all the spurned Twins fans plan a trip to Buffalo or wherever the hell Cleveland's AAA team is so you all can have a big pity party and talk to Kevin about climbing Mt Kilamanjaro.


Exactly. Since 2008 (Slowey's best year) -

Slowey - 90 ERA+, 466 ip, 3.4 WAR
Liriano - 90 ERA+, 542ip, 4.4 WAR
Blackburn - 93 ERA+, 713ip, 4.8 WAR
Duensing - 104 ERA+, 378ip, 4.6 WAR

#29 stringer bell

stringer bell

    Confirmed Hacker

  • Twins News Team
  • 4,235 posts
  • LocationZumbrota MN

Posted 11 April 2012 - 09:27 PM

French has pitched very well in New Britain. I remember him as being part of the Jarrod Washburn trade (going to the M's). He has some big league experience and is a lefty, I believe (also breathing). To me, French and Diamond are cut out of the same cloth. Maloney had a nice spring and struck out hitters, but he's 28 and hasn't established himself in the majors.

#30 VodkaDave

VodkaDave

    Banned

  • Banned
  • 97 posts

Posted 11 April 2012 - 09:29 PM

Exactly. Since 2008 (Slowey's best year) -

Slowey - 90 ERA+, 466 ip, 3.4 WAR
Liriano - 90 ERA+, 542ip, 4.4 WAR
Blackburn - 93 ERA+, 713ip, 4.8 WAR
Duensing - 104 ERA+, 378ip, 4.6 WAR

Though I agree that Slowey is mediocre, I don't understand why you feel the need to include IP and WAR in this argument.