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#61 gunnarthor

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 03:48 PM

Another interesting tidbid from the same article of interest to the Twins' fans:
Law indicates that Span would have been picked as the 9th overall pick by the Rockies but he wouldn't have signed for them because of the money, so he dropped to the Twins' 20th spot. I don't know whether to believe that or not...


I had heard that before, too. Twins and Rockies were both high on Span but not necessarily all teams. I think baseball teams have a much wider diversity of how they view prospects than casual fans who rely on a handful of websites.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 03:57 PM

I had heard that before, too. Twins and Rockies were both high on Span but not necessarily all teams. I think baseball teams have a much wider diversity of how they view prospects than casual fans who rely on a handful of websites.


I don't disagree :)

what I am not buying is that Twins would potentially give Span more $ at the 20th spot than the Rockies at the 9th. Remember. That was 2002. Contraction time...
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 04:23 PM

Another interesting tidbid from the same article of interest to the Twins' fans:
Law indicates that Span would have been picked as the 9th overall pick by the Rockies but he wouldn't have signed for them because of the money, so he dropped to the Twins' 20th spot. I don't know whether to believe that or not...

I have heard about this before. I believe they even mention it in Moneybal (the book, not the movie). I don't know if all teams were following slot recommendations at that time either. So it is possible that the Rockies skipped over him because they knew he wouldn't sign for any below the slot recommendation. There may have been other things in play then.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 05:00 PM

Buxton is far from a sure thing. He's no less a risk than the top pitchers. He hasn't gotten the hype of Justin Upton, Alex Rodriguez or Ken Griffey Jr for good reason, we have no idea how he would fair against better pitching. I'm less of a fan of Zunino. Rarely is a catcher a year-in and year-out impact bat. Even if he is a Matt Wieters, a .775 OPS guy really shouldn't be a middle of the order bat and I don't know how anyone could argue that we can expect higher production from a college catcher. Besides, even in a best case scenario a replacement value catcher is less different offensively than any other position, it's the nature of playing less than 150 games but doing so in a strenuous postion. The gap between Josh Thole and Brian McCann is much less than the gap between Jason Marquis and Justin Verlander or between Trevor Plouffe and Matt Kemp.

Zunino is probably a safe bet to be a very good player, but his ceiling has to be very low compared to Buxton and the pitchers. If I have a pick this high, I want a chance at getting the most productive offensive player or best pitcher in the league six years down the road. A catcher is very rarely the best offesive weapon in baseball. Mauer's 2009 season may have been the only time. Other catchers have won MVP awards because the voters include the defensive ability and the demand of the position in their decisions. I don't want safe and Buster Posey, I would rather take a chance on getting someone who could be considered the best player in the league for half a decade.


I don't understand this, you don't wanna go "safe and buster posey?" He is one of the best young players in the league regardless of the position. I live in Houston and we know what it's like to have Brad Ausmus for a decade. Imagine sweet drew as a starter for the next 8 or so years. Even if Zunino doesn't profile as a #3 or 4 hitter i'd much rather have a buster posey type(.280/.350/.750 with 22 HR and 75 RBIs) than automatic out Ausmus. There's a lot of value there and I'm sure the Rays are kicking themselves for picking the "toolsy" high schooler who was supposed to be the "next A-rod" rather than posey. Now they're stuck with Jose Molina until he gets too old and then who? I want a verlander type too but don't kid yourself, there's not one in this draft, we'd be lucky if one of these college guys turns out to be a Jared Weaver, Jon Garland, or Berry Zito, not bad, just not the ace type we'd be expecting. The only pitcher who profiles as a true dominant ace is Giolito. He is probably the only one in this draft that could at one point be considered the best player in the league, no one else really has that potential.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 06:07 PM

[quote name='mike wants wins']From Law's insider column today....

"Other than its ties to "Moneyball," the 2002 draft is probably best remembered for the massive gaffe the Pirates committed with the first pick, choosing (apparently at owner Kevin McClatchy's behest) a safe college arm, Bryan Bullington, over the high-upside high school player atop most draft boards, B.J. Upton. "
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I see he forgot to mention that most scouts thought Zack Grienke was the actually the top pitcher in the draft that year but the Pirates weren't going to pay his asking price. He also conveniently forgot that two years later the Padres took lower risk position player Matt Bush #1 passing up Justin Verlander. Now that there is a draft allowance, teams don't have to worry about signablity.

[quote name='twinsfanstreif']I don't understand this, you don't wanna go "safe and buster posey?" He is one of the best young players in the league regardless of the position.

I want a verlander type too but don't kid yourself, there's not one in this draft,we'd be lucky if one of these college guys turns out to be a Jared Weaver[/QUOTE]

Yes that is what I'm saying. Any team would love to have Posey, but he will never have the impact of Albert Pujols, Matt Kemp or Justin Verlander. Like I said in the previous post, the gap between Buster Posey and Brad Ausmus is much less than the gap between Justin Verlander and Jason Marquis. I'm certainly not making the comparison myself, but funny enough, here is an article that actually makes a Zunino/Ausmus comparison.

http://houston.sbnat...college-catcher

Besides, his higher strikeout rate indicates to me he could easily turn into a John Buck. Regardless, the Twins need Jared Weaver much more than they need Buster Posey.

Anyone following the draft who claims there are no aces coming out this year might as well tell the rest of us with, 100% certainty, who the 100 best players will be ten years from now. If people knew who was going to be an ace and who wasn't, Roy Halladay wouldn't have gone 14th overall. The velocity of the top pitchers in the draft this year and last is so impressive compared to previous years that we aren't going to know how it is going to translate until they get with professionals who know how to develop secondary pitches and improve location.

Edited by nicksaviking, 24 April 2012 - 08:10 PM.


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Posted 24 April 2012 - 08:05 PM

It's not that any of these guys won't turn out to be a front line starter, just not Verlander caliber and don't warrant the #2 pick. I believe there are some potential aces later but come with too much risk to take them at #2(Stroman, Fried, Giolito, McCullers, Smoral, and Beck all come to mind). I've never been shy about saying that I could easily be wrong so I'm not claiming to be an expert. Also in that article it only compares Zunino to Ausmus defensively and not offensively. It's hard to compare posey to ausmus because of sample size. But I did some research and I compared Ausmus to Pudge Rodriguez because I feel like that's kind of a best case/worst case for Zunino. I know pudge is a potential hall of fame player but if you're talking impact bat at the catcher position mixed with good defense he's who you look to. The career WAR for Ausmus is 21.4(admittedly higher than I thought, although skewed by a couple of good years with Detroit) over 18 years, an average of 1.18/year. And the career WAR for Pudge is 73.9 over 20 years, an average of 3.7/Year. It's also hard to compare verlander and marquis because their careers aren't over so the numbers aren't skewed by several years of mediocre ball at the end of their careers (interestingly marquis' career WAR average is 1.1, similar to Ausmus). So for a best case scenerio for a guy like Zimmer let's look at a potential hall of fame pitcher who's career is over in John Smoltz, his career WAR is 82.5 over 21 years, an average of 3.9/year. The difference between a HoF caliber catcher and a HoF caliber pitcher isn't that big of a difference. The difference lies in that there are 70 pitchers in the HoF and only 16 catchers in the HoF so they are few and far between, that's why a great catcher is so valued.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 08:11 PM

thrylos, I recall that from that draft, on Span....
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 08:57 PM

That's all very true, but WAR takes into account defense for postion players so a strong defensive catcher, like Ausmus, Pudge or Johnny Bench, will get a large boost in that department. The problem with comparing catchers to other postion players with WAR, is that the stat is weighted to even out positional value. Firstbase is a relatively easy position, it is weighted negatively at -12.5 runs per 162 games played. Catcher is a tough postion and gets weighted +12.5 runs. I don't believe a pitcher's defense is even a factor in WAR. Even with the defensive adjustment, Bench, the catcher with the greatest WAR for a non-pitcher is 53rd on the career WAR list at 71.3. Aaron, Mays, Cobb, Bonds and Ruth more than doubled that number while 25 pitchers have a higher WAR than Bench. The Twins likely won't be getting a HOF player with the #2 pick, but if we are going to gamble, it might as well be on the highest ceiling and I don't believe a catcher, particularly a strikeout prone catcher provides that.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 07:59 AM

Why would we take a college pitcher that is a potential #3 or #4 starter with the #2 pick in the draft over a guy with a much higer cieling? If our scouts are doing their jobs, shouldn't we be able to find that type of pitcher in the supplemental round? Just because the current Twins pitching staff sucks doesn't mean we should run out and draft a bunch of good (not great) college pitchers. Every pick is a risk. Give me a guy that has the potential to be a superstar at #2. You're not going to be in that draft position very often. Why play it "safe" (when there is no such thing as safe)? I'll take Buxton for sure, and Zunino over the college arms at that spot.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 09:19 AM

I'm not reading online anyplace that the top 5 college arms have ceilings of #3 pitchers. If you are going to make an argument, at least make a legitimate argument. Don't put straw man arguments out there. So, I'll ask you, where do you get #1 or #2 pitchers from, if you are afraid to draft them early in the draft, because there are question marks about them?
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 09:33 AM

And yet Mauer became one of the top players in baseball. Projection is a big part of scouting/development. It is what it is and the Twins don't seem concerned about taking high school kids. In the last 15 drafts, they've used their first pick on a high school position player 9 times - six made the majors (Cuddy, Mauer, Span, Revere, Parmelee and Plouffe), two washed out (Moses and Garbe) and one is still in the system (Hicks).


The problem with this is that ALL of those HS players are position players!!! Not one player is a pitcher and that is a problem!!

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 01:33 PM

The problem with this is that ALL of those HS players are position players!!! Not one player is a pitcher and that is a problem!!


You're reading that out of context, it was discussing the HS position players the Twins have taken and what happened to them. While the Twins have never used their first overall pick on a HS pitcher, they have picked three in the first round in that same time span - Rainville, Waldrop and Boyd.

I'm not sure why it's a problem in not taking HS pitchers, as opposed to other types of players.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 09:31 PM

With the NFL Draft tomorrow night, I'm in a draft kind of mood. So I sat down and, based on my own speculation, came up with a little something...

My "NFL Draft is Tomorrow night, so here's my 'ideal?' Twins draft in 2 months" draft:

1st round, 2nd overall: Possible pick: Kyle Zimmer, P. With a little luck: Mike Zunino, C. (When it comes down to it, I think Houston takes Zunino first overall). With a little balls: Byron Buxton, HS OF or Marcus Stroman, P. (Buxton comes with some risk and he plays a position that is considered an organizational strength, but he may have the highest ceiling of all players in draft; If all the pitchers were compared and the only thing you didn't know was physical size, the 5-8 Stroman would probably be the top eligible pitcher.)

Supplemental Rd, 32nd overall: Possible pick: Luke Sims, HS P (may be hard to sign out of Clemson commitment.) With a little luck: James Ramsey, OF/2B. (Ramsey was drafted by the Twins last year and turned down big money to return to FSU where he's having a great year.) With a little balls: Lucas Giolito, HS P (who knows how far he slides, could Twins be creative enough to get him signed?)

Supplemental Rd, 42nd overall: Possible pick: Travis Jankowski, OF (leadoff/CF type who has had wood bat success). With a little balls: Lance McCullers, HS P. (McCullers has been dropping down boards as it seems he'll end up in the bullpen.)

2nd round, 61st overall: Possible pick: Tanner Rahier, HS SS. (Consider me still a little bitter that the Twins didn't draft Trevor Story last year. Rahier may be able to stick at SS.) With a little balls: Nick Williams, HS OF. (Williams has a lot to learn, but tons of physical tools. Would follow the Hunter/Span/Hicks model... only take longer to develop.)

Supplemental Rd, 70th overall: Possible pick: Adam Brett Walker, 1B/OF. If Walker slips - or even if he doesn't - he makes perfect sense. He's a RH power hitter (hello, Target Field), is local (Wisconsin) and has ties to the Cities (Daddy played for the Vikings).

3rd round, 97th overall: Possible pick: Mitchell Brown, HS P. Probably the best MN prep pitcher since Brad Hand, who was taken by the Marlins in the 2nd round in 2008. He might be a reach, but he's a known commodity.

4th round, 130th overall: Possible pick: TJ Oakes, P. Another local pitcher.

Again this is all based on my speculation and a lot will change in the next couple of months... or days...

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 10:30 PM

With the NFL Draft tomorrow night, I'm in a draft kind of mood. So I sat down and, based on my own speculation, came up with a little something...

My "NFL Draft is Tomorrow night, so here's my 'ideal?' Twins draft in 2 months" draft:

1st round, 2nd overall: Possible pick: Kyle Zimmer, P. With a little luck: Mike Zunino, C. (When it comes down to it, I think Houston takes Zunino first overall). With a little balls: Byron Buxton, HS OF or Marcus Stroman, P. (Buxton comes with some risk and he plays a position that is considered an organizational strength, but he may have the highest ceiling of all players in draft; If all the pitchers were compared and the only thing you didn't know was physical size, the 5-8 Stroman would probably be the top eligible pitcher.)

Supplemental Rd, 32nd overall: Possible pick: Luke Sims, HS P (may be hard to sign out of Clemson commitment.) With a little luck: James Ramsey, OF/2B. (Ramsey was drafted by the Twins last year and turned down big money to return to FSU where he's having a great year.) With a little balls: Lucas Giolito, HS P (who knows how far he slides, could Twins be creative enough to get him signed?)

Supplemental Rd, 42nd overall: Possible pick: Travis Jankowski, OF (leadoff/CF type who has had wood bat success). With a little balls: Lance McCullers, HS P. (McCullers has been dropping down boards as it seems he'll end up in the bullpen.)

2nd round, 61st overall: Possible pick: Tanner Rahier, HS SS. (Consider me still a little bitter that the Twins didn't draft Trevor Story last year. Rahier may be able to stick at SS.) With a little balls: Nick Williams, HS OF. (Williams has a lot to learn, but tons of physical tools. Would follow the Hunter/Span/Hicks model... only take longer to develop.)

Supplemental Rd, 70th overall: Possible pick: Adam Brett Walker, 1B/OF. If Walker slips - or even if he doesn't - he makes perfect sense. He's a RH power hitter (hello, Target Field), is local (Wisconsin) and has ties to the Cities (Daddy played for the Vikings).

3rd round, 97th overall: Possible pick: Mitchell Brown, HS P. Probably the best MN prep pitcher since Brad Hand, who was taken by the Marlins in the 2nd round in 2008. He might be a reach, but he's a known commodity.

4th round, 130th overall: Possible pick: TJ Oakes, P. Another local pitcher.

Again this is all based on my speculation and a lot will change in the next couple of months... or days...


I like your thinking with Giolito, I've been thinking about it and if he slips past the 6th pick no one is going to have the cash to get him signed except us and if he proves to be set on college then we get a similar pick in a potentially better class next year. I also hope McCullers drops that far. I hope we look at a catcher with one of our top 5 picks, if we pass on Zunino I hope we look at Elander, O'Brian, or Plawecki. I like Jankowski too although we don't really need another speedy center fielder. I think we'll reach for Oakes in the 2nd or 3rd, we always make sure to get the best U of M guys a round or 2 early. I hope Smoral's injury drops him to us because he could be a very good one. I think we also look at Brian Johnson, Chris Beck, Andrew Hanley, or Jake Barrett if they drop. In the first round I could also see us looking at Gausman, I'm not super high on him but if he can cut down on the wild pitches he could be a very good starter....or he could be shooter hunt.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 11:47 PM

T.J. Oakes is not that good. Maybe 6th round at the earliest. And that is both what will happen and what should happen. The Big 10 has a major pitching shortage. And there are plenty of high school arms out there.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 11:53 PM

Zimmer/Appel (wait and see over the next 6 weeks), Top LHP available, Kevin Plawecki, P, P, 3B, P, MI, P, C, P, OF, P, 3B, P, MI, P, P, OF, P (just generally, obviously not so specific) should be the general direction. Boyd and Harrison set a good precedent last year.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 08:30 AM

I live in NorCal and go to Stanford games on a regular basis. I saw Scott Boras at a game last weekend, so that likely means that he is recruiting Appel to be one of his clients. If Appel ends up with Boras as his agent, he will be tough to sign.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 08:56 AM

I live in NorCal and go to Stanford games on a regular basis. I saw Scott Boras at a game last weekend, so that likely means that he is recruiting Appel to be one of his clients. If Appel ends up with Boras as his agent, he will be tough to sign.

He's not going to be that hard to sign. If he's picked #2, there's pretty much no way that he'll do better than that next year. As far as signing bonuses go, he is probably not going to get much more than the slot value, especially with the new CBA. The Twins have the largest amount of money for signing bonuses this year, but we also have a ton of high picks, so we're not going to blow it all on our first pick. It doesn't matter who the agent is.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 10:12 AM

T.J. Oakes is not that good. Maybe 6th round at the earliest. And that is both what will happen and what should happen. The Big 10 has a major pitching shortage. And there are plenty of high school arms out there.


I never said he was a 2nd round talent, I said they will draft him in the 2nd or 3rd round. We reach every year for local kids and especially U of M kids. Oakes is the best pitcher on the team and holds a 1.54 ERA, his Ks are ok but not great, he limits hits, and his BB numbers are pretty good. That sounds exactly like a kid that the Twins would draft. I have not seen him in person so I can't comment on his mechanics, velocity, and such but we will draft him and if they feel as though his ERA is enough to entise some other team we will over draft him.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 10:37 AM

After watching some you tube videos(I know they're not telling the whole story but it's all I have). I'm impressed by his growth between last year and this year. He has begun to extend his arm out more giving him more velocity and a smoother less jerky delivery. He seems to locate better as well. His delivery is pretty close to side arm but not quite there. If he raises his angle a bit and can generate a longer stride he could get better velocity. I don't know where he is at velocity wise because there was no gun but it looks to be in the high 80s to low 90s by sheer eyeball test. Go check it out on you tube, there's one from march 2012 and then another from February of last year. I don't grade him at 6th round by that tape, I would say 4th but I think he could be a solid major league 4-5th starter, maybe a long relief guy but that would be good for a 4th round guy.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 10:46 AM

The Twins drafted him last year in the 41st round. There is no way his stock has gone up that much. I am being rather optimistic for him at round 6.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 11:00 AM

Another thing to consider is that he is a senior and with the new CBA teams will want to draft signable guys in the 3-10 rounds in order to get the guys with signability concerns earlier. It's also bad to look at things like previous draft round. Like I said he looked pretty bad last year and he's made significant adjustments. George Springer was also drafted by the twins in the late rounds(40-50) and was taken in the early 1st round just a few years later. It's not impossible.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 12:29 PM

One of the BA guys was asked recently if the Gophers had any draftable guys and the response was Oakes is a 5th round guy. He went so late because he wasn't interested in signing, he was more interested in returning to school and pitching for his dad... if my memory serves me correctly.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 12:11 PM

Early word says college pitcher.

A couple interesting notes in KLaw's newest insider article:

"Some rumors of team preferences are starting to leak out, although it's still fairly early. Some of the stronger rumors: Minnesota Twins with Kevin Gausman or Kyle Zimmer."

"Teams seem to be operating as if the Astros are most likely to take Buxton, with only Houston, Seattle, Kansas City and the Baltimore Orioles scouting him at this point."

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 01:35 PM

Early word says college pitcher.

A couple interesting notes in KLaw's newest insider article:

"Some rumors of team preferences are starting to leak out, although it's still fairly early. Some of the stronger rumors: Minnesota Twins with Kevin Gausman or Kyle Zimmer."

"Teams seem to be operating as if the Astros are most likely to take Buxton, with only Houston, Seattle, Kansas City and the Baltimore Orioles scouting him at this point."


That's really interesting. Thanks for sharing. Need to learn more about those two pitchers.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 04:26 PM

Early word says college pitcher.

A couple interesting notes in KLaw's newest insider article:

"Some rumors of team preferences are starting to leak out, although it's still fairly early. Some of the stronger rumors: Minnesota Twins with Kevin Gausman or Kyle Zimmer."

"Teams seem to be operating as if the Astros are most likely to take Buxton, with only Houston, Seattle, Kansas City and the Baltimore Orioles scouting him at this point."


I like Gausman and Zimmer over Appel and Wacha. If The Astros start talking about pass on Buxton, could that change the Twin's plans.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 10:13 AM

The only way I would take Buxton is if you can guarentee him to be a 40 HR / 120 RBI guy. Being a Heyward, 18 HR / 72 RBI guy with a possibility of 25 HR / 90 RBI, those guys are a dime a dozen. If Buxton is a lock for 40 HR, then yes. But the Twins need starting pitching - yesterday. We have no rotation for next season, whatsoever. Blackburn, Hendricks, Gibson coming off TJ surgery, Swarzak, Diamond - not exactly a stable of aces. At this point they need a pitcher with a ton of upside. And yes, I'd take a long look at Appel, Gausman, Zimmer, Giolito, Fried, and Wacha. My guess with Giolito is that if he drops below the tenth pick, he ends up going to UCLA, and makes himself available in next year's draft, and at the rate the Twins are going, we could have a top two pick next year as well.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 11:00 AM

[quote name='ScottyB']The only way I would take Buxton is if you can guarentee him to be a 40 HR / 120 RBI guy.[/QUOTE]

Mike Stanton, Bryce Harper and Miguel Sano, the three most powerful prospects over the last three years are not locks to hit 40 HRs. So if Buxton - who isn't even a power guy - was a lock to hit 40 HRs, he'd definitely go 1st overall.

[quote name='ScottyB']We have no rotation for next season, whatsoever.[/QUOTE]

The draft isn't going to help with this problem.

[quote name='ScottyB']My guess with Giolito is that if he drops below the tenth pick, he ends up going to UCLA, and makes himself available in next year's draft.[/QUOTE]

If Giolito enrolls in a 4-year school, he isn't gong to be eligibile for the draft for three more years. (Like Gerrit Cole, 1st round to the NYY three years ago, 1-1 this past year.)

I think it's pretty obvious the Twins aren't one or two or three players away. And with baseball being a crapshoot anyway, the only way to go is to find a balance between BPA and ceiling and go with the best guy. If it's Buxton, he's probably five years away anyway. By the time he's ready, Hicks might be a year or two from free agency.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 11:29 AM

That's really interesting. Thanks for sharing. Need to learn more about those two pitchers.


Zimmer's got better control and Gausman's got better velocity. Gausman doesn't walk a bunch but he's prone to wild pitches. I really like Gausman's wind up from a fan standpoint, it just looks cool, but it has a lot of movement and looks hard to repeat, it could also cause some stamina issues. He kind of looks like Dontrell Willis with the high leg kick. I've heard concern with Gausman's secondary stuff. I'm still torn on Zimmer, he's new to pitching so there's still a lot to learn for him. He's gotten his velocity up this year and cleaned up his mechanics a lot and developed a strong power curve and his slider is getting better. His delivery reminds me of Mark Prior, I hope he doen't have the injury stuff that mark did. He's one of the best athletes in the draft so maybe that'll help his stamina. If I had to choose right now I'd say Zimmer but I really hope the give a look to Giolito because he could be a star.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 11:36 AM

After reading through this entire thread, I believe there is only one certain conclusion... Regardless of who the Twins take with the #2 pick, there will absolutely be SOMEONE picked later that turns out to be better than whoever the Twins take... and when that happens, there will be no shortage of people around here screaming about how stupid the Twins are for not knowing, years in advance, that the other guy would be the better pick.
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