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#1 Monkeypaws

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 05:25 PM

I'm looking for some opinions on who you folks think are our top 10 starting pitchers in the minors. It's pretty easy to pick out Meyer, Berrios, Stewart, but for some of the guys in the lower levels, I have no idea how guys like Landa and Jorge stack up, or the power arms of the 2012 draft like Bard or Melatokis rank, or Baxendale, etc.

What would BA say? :)

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 05:41 PM

What would BA say? :)


Not sure what BA would say, but MLB.com says this: (go there and then click on top 20 by team, select the Twins and you will get the top 9 position players as well...)

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Alex Myer
Kyle Gibson
Kohl Stewart
Jose Berrios
Trevor May
Ryan Eades
Mason Melotakis
Luke Bard
JT Chargois
Stephen Gonsalves
Felix Jorge
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#3 cmathewson

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 06:54 PM

My list:

Alex Meyer
Kohl Stewart
Jose Berrios
Kyle Gibson
Trevor May
Lewis Thorpe
Stephen Gonsalves
Ryan Eades
Mason Melotakis
DJ Baxendale
Alex Wimmers
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Posted 01 August 2013 - 08:02 PM

My top 10 (12) Twins pitching prospects:

Stewart
Meyers
Berrios
May
Summers
Duffy/Baxendale
Melotakis
Gonsalves/Thorpe
Eades
Jorge

I am not counting Gibson since he is on the 25 man roster. I am also not counting Albers because he might soon be on the 25 man roster. Would Albers fit in the top 15? I'm not sure, but I hope he gets promoted so we can see how he does against mlb hitters.

Is this a great list of prospects? No. Is it better than what the Twins have had for the last five years. Yes! If the Twins have, in June 2014, as they have had in the past two Junes, one of the top five draft picks in each round, then I would bet that they will take the best college starter available in round one to deepen the pool of potential #1/#2 starters in the system, and then I suspect that they would take high ceiling high school starters in rounds 2 and 3 to really flesh out their starting pitching depth. That would complement their position player depth. It is nice to see prospect starters at all levels of their minor league system now--Meyer and May, for example, will likely start next season at AAA (although it is also possible that one of them could break camp with the Twins for the 2014 season).

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 08:22 PM

What a sorry list! Only Albers is as high as AAA, and he sounds a lot like a white Bruce Chen-clone. Pheew! Meyers and May at AA--because the Twins PR machine has to agree with Ryan's trades--I sure hope they are correct, but my skepticism meter is flashing red. The rest are A-ball and lower--total hype for now.

There has been much back-and-forth in other threads blaming GM/not blaming GMs but let's face it the scouts, the cross-checkers, the whole personnel gang has been in place forever. If there is a group to blame it's them!

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 08:37 PM

My completely poorly informed list goes like this:

Stewart
Meyer
Gibson
Berrios
Hendriks
May
Gonsalves
Wimmers
Thorpe
Baxendale

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 08:38 PM

So we have a sorry list of positional players in our minor league system too? Man shoot, Buxton is only at high a. Man shoot Sano and Rosario are only at AA. Man we have a sorry list. When will the twins ever win with all these good prospects low in the minors. We need to fire everyone because we have the number one minor in the game right now. Fire everyone now. If we don't we will continue to have a bright future with one of the best farm systems in the game. Fire them NOW.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 08:44 PM

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[COLOR=#333333]Mason Melotakis
[/COLOR][COLOR=#333333]J.T. Chargois[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#333333]Lewis Thorpe[/COLOR]
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Posted 01 August 2013 - 08:46 PM

My top 10 list.
Gibson
Albers
Diamond
Walters
Hendriks
Darnell
Vasquez
Worley
DeVries
Blackburn
All our AAA/IR starters. lol

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 08:52 PM

Not sure what BA would say, but MLB.com says this: (go there and then click on top 20 by team, select the Twins and you will get the top 9 position players as well...)

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Alex Myer
Kyle Gibson
Kohl Stewart
Jose Berrios
Trevor May
Ryan Eades
Mason Melotakis
Luke Bard
JT Chargois
Stephen Gonsalves
Felix Jorge


good list but I think chargois is staying in the pen. Jorge could be flipped with either Rosario, landa or Thorpe. the one guy I like that you left out is duffey - he's got better stuff than most people realize and has shot at being a no.3.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 08:54 PM

So we have a sorry list of positional players in our minor league system too? Man shoot, Buxton is only at high a. Man shoot Sano and Rosario are only at AA. Man we have a sorry list. When will the twins ever win with all these good prospects low in the minors. We need to fire everyone because we have the number one minor in the game right now. Fire everyone now. If we don't we will continue to have a bright future with one of the best farm systems in the game. Fire them NOW.


I think your post is inadvertently hilarious.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 09:17 PM

What a sorry list! Only Albers is as high as AAA, and he sounds a lot like a white Bruce Chen-clone. Pheew! Meyers and May at AA--because the Twins PR machine has to agree with Ryan's trades--I sure hope they are correct, but my skepticism meter is flashing red. The rest are A-ball and lower--total hype for now.

There has been much back-and-forth in other threads blaming GM/not blaming GMs but let's face it the scouts, the cross-checkers, the whole personnel gang has been in place forever. If there is a group to blame it's them!


It's actually pretty middle of the pack if not slightly above average. Pretty rare for teams to have several arms at AA or AAA.

I would recommend taking a look at a few other farm systems for some context.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 09:35 PM

So Hermsen is no more. Albers came out of nowhere. DeVries is dead. And no one knows what to make of Logan Darnell.
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Posted 01 August 2013 - 09:52 PM

Stewart
Meyers
Berrios
May
Eades
Gonsalves
Everyone else

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 10:26 PM

Stewart
Meyer
May
Berrios
Eades
Jorge
Thorpe
Chargois
Duffy
Gonsalves
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Posted 01 August 2013 - 10:37 PM

so does landa's stuff not match up or what? His numbers look great, and from what I have heard he has pretty good velocity, so why is he not considered a top young are in the system?

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 10:38 PM

It's actually pretty middle of the pack if not slightly above average. Pretty rare for teams to have several arms at AA or AAA.

I would recommend taking a look at a few other farm systems for some context.


Are they also at the bottom of BB in pitching? Everyone?

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 10:48 PM

For me it would be:
Alex Meyer
Kohl Stewart
Jose Berrios
Kyle Gibson*
Trevor May
Alex Wimmer- yes I know, but I'm still optimistic
Stephen Gonslaves
Ryan Eades
Flex Jorge
Yorman Landa
Randy Rosario
Lewis Thorpe
Mason Melotakis

throw in Bard and Chargios once they have pitched a little.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 10:56 PM

Gibson (still counts)
Meyer
Berrios
Stewart

May

Baxendale
Duffey
Eades
Melotakis
Wimmers

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 10:56 PM

so does landa's stuff not match up or what? His numbers look great, and from what I have heard he has pretty good velocity, so why is he not considered a top young are in the system?

Hard to rate him right now. Need more scouting reports and results. Stewart is easy to rate right now because he was the number 4 pick in the draft and was highly scouted. His rating has more to do with ceiling than anything else right now. Full season ball is where prospects start to stick out from fillers.
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#21 Monkeypaws

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 11:09 PM

Very interesting - I was recently made aware of the "Big 3" in E-town, and find little praise for them.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 11:12 PM

That's kind of what I thought but it still seems weird to me that Flex Jorge is getting some major attention and Landa is not. I do have to say that I am very excited about the potential Cedar Rapids rotation next year. i.e. Stewart, Gonslaves (if they play full season) Landa, Jorge, and Rosario.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 11:47 PM

Very interesting - I was recently made aware of the "Big 3" in E-town, and find little praise for them.

Lack of a track record, lack of reports. It easier for fans to keep track/ follow guys if they were aquired in big trades, were high bonus babies, or are on the cusp of the Majors. Beating up on guys in Appy doesnt get you a lot of love, Arica did it and most fans still didnt notice. If they were high draft picks they would be getting more attention then Gonslaves or most of the pitchers The Twins have in Low A right now.

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 02:25 AM

I will throw my hat in also, with explanations, Gibson , will be a#2 or most likely a #3; Meyer, barring injury has a good shot at being a #2; May is probably a #4 or reliever longterm(nothing wrong with being a 4, especially compared to the #5 and #6's we have now. Berrios, just my opinion will not make it to the bigs, as a starter, he is great in the lower minors because he is advanced for his age, but not a lot of projection, as I heard someone else say, he is what he is. This years crop of pitchers I havnt formed an opinion yet, but looks promising, but then don't all new high draftees look promising. :)

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 06:22 AM

I would toss Gibson out. He's already pitched a bunch at the ML level and will not be eligible for any list this offseason. I'm leaving Albers off because to be fair, he isn't really a prospect. I am hoping he gets a shot and can prove himself, but I think at best he's more of a back of the rotation type guy. Also leaving off Worley. Here's my list:

1) Meyer - potential ace. Injury is the conern right now. ETA at some point next season.
2) Stewart - potential ace. potential for 4 plus pitches. Doing what he should in GCL.
3) May - gets the Ks, walk rate is dropping. Could still top out as a 1/2 type guy, but looking more like he'll be a 2/3. Not a bad pitcher. ETA next season some time.
4) Berrios - potential #2
5) Eades - potential #2. Could rise through the minors quickly.
6) Thorpe - potential top ceiling guy, but still way too far away
7) Gonclaves - potential top ceiling guy. Hard throwing lefty. Too far away, but doing his job in GCL.
8) Darnell - potential #3. Struggling a bit in AAA after flat out dominating AA. Needs some time and will likely be in the rotation at some point next year. Delievered results at a high enough level that despite the lower ceiling, he belongs on this list.
9) Bard - potential 2/3 type guy, but has been rehabbing an injury. This is a lost season for him. Could rise through the minors quickly next year if healthy.
10) Melotakis. Potential 2/3 guy, but I think he's likely going to be a 3/4/5.

HM: Wimmers, Hendricks, Baxendale, Hu, Fernando Romero, Jorge, Rosario

Truth be told, this really isn't a bad list. I know pitching is considered the weakness of the system, but a lot of teams would be very happy with this group of pitchers. There are a number of high ceiling arms in there (and that includes several of the guys on the HM list), unfortunately most are pretty far away, and as high ceiling arms go, most will likely fail. There are 3 guys in the system who can all be above average pitchers who will likely see MLB action next season. I still think they need to add high ceiling arms, but Ryan and company have done a decent job shoring this one up.

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 06:31 AM

What a sorry list! Only Albers is as high as AAA, and he sounds a lot like a white Bruce Chen-clone. Pheew! Meyers and May at AA--because the Twins PR machine has to agree with Ryan's trades--I sure hope they are correct, but my skepticism meter is flashing red. The rest are A-ball and lower--total hype for now.

There has been much back-and-forth in other threads blaming GM/not blaming GMs but let's face it the scouts, the cross-checkers, the whole personnel gang has been in place forever. If there is a group to blame it's them!


Wow. We have five better pitching prospects than we've had since Liriano and you call it a "sorry list", just because there are no AAA pitchers on it? Just wow.
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Posted 02 August 2013 - 06:32 AM

That's kind of what I thought but it still seems weird to me that Flex Jorge is getting some major attention and Landa is not. I do have to say that I am very excited about the potential Cedar Rapids rotation next year. i.e. Stewart, Gonslaves (if they play full season) Landa, Jorge, and Rosario.


Jorge is the classically projectable of the three. Rosario and landa are both six foot on a good day. I think you're up in arms over nothing - a couple people have included him at the bottom of their list.

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 06:42 AM

Top SP prospects: For my list the player has to currently be in the minors

1. Scott Diamond- Has shown ML success
2. Nick Blackburn- See number 1
3. Vance Worley
(Big drop off)
4. Stewart
5. Meyer
6. May
7. Berrios
8. Whimmers
9. Shooter Hunt
10. Alan Anderson

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 07:10 AM

Top SP prospects: For my list the player has to currently be in the minors

1. Scott Diamond- Has shown ML success
2. Nick Blackburn- See number 1
3. Vance Worley
(Big drop off)
4. Stewart
5. Meyer
6. May
7. Berrios
8. Whimmers
9. Shooter Hunt
10. Alan Anderson

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