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#1 cmb0252

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 11:34 AM

Just as the title says, today Jonathan Mayo released his updated prospect list. There are some odd choices on the list so give it a look. For those of you too lazy to skim it here are the Twins that made it:

1.Buxton
3.Sano
36.Meyer
51.Gibson
66. Stewart
68 Rosario
85. Berrios

Mayo also updated his top 20 list for each team and top 10 by position lists. Link:

2013 Prospect Watch | MLB.com: News

Edited by cmb0252, 26 July 2013 - 11:38 AM.


#2 Smcginnity

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 11:48 AM

Hmmm. I don't disagree with his top 100 (with Twins players) but his top 20 on our team I don't agree with. Until Bard or Chargois play enough, they do not warrant that ranking. Also, I think Meijia should be on there along with Tyler Duffey, Baxendale, or Rogers. Is Felix Jorge considered to be better than Lewis Thorpe or Yorman Landa?

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 11:54 AM

The organizational rankings seem a little lazy, and it's hard to tell whether the scouting reports themselves have been updated much at all..

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 12:00 PM

The organizational rankings seem a little lazy, and it's hard to tell whether the scouting reports themselves have been updated much at all..


The scouting reports have not been updated which is annoying. Gibson's still says he should make the major league at some point this year.....which he obviously has.

On his top ten by position lists we did have the #1 OF, #1 3B, and the #2 2b which is never a bad thing. Also, while none of our pitchers made the top 10 pitcher list having 4 pitchers in the top 100 is definitely a good thing.

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 12:29 PM

having 4 pitchers in the top 100 is definitely a good thing.

Has that EVER happened?

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 12:32 PM

The organizational rankings seem a little lazy, and it's hard to tell whether the scouting reports themselves have been updated much at all..


At least he wrote a fresh piece on Kohl Stewart!

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 12:37 PM

Also interesting that he has Sano ETA at 2015 along with Buxton and Rosario.

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 12:47 PM

Has that EVER happened?


I think back when they were called the Senators.:)

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 01:14 PM

Also interesting that he has Sano ETA at 2015 along with Buxton and Rosario.


That has to be an error. If Sano keeps warming up and Rosario stays hot they might both be September call ups.

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 01:40 PM

It makes me laugh how so many of these sites still list Sano at 6'3" and 195. Wasn't that about 45 pounds ago?

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 02:58 PM

Not bad from 1-10, but I agree with the comments about pretty lazy -- especially 11-20.

I would have liked to see Adam Walker, Albers, Darnell, Tonkin, Pinto, Vargas, Meija, Hicks, Summers, Williams, and a few others before some of the names on there.

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 03:17 PM

It makes me laugh how so many of these sites still list Sano at 6'3" and 195. Wasn't that about 45 pounds ago?


YES! Sano is definitely on the plus side of at least 220!

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 05:31 PM

Not bad from 1-10, but I agree with the comments about pretty lazy -- especially 11-20.

I would have liked to see Adam Walker, Albers, Darnell, Tonkin, Pinto, Vargas, Meija, Hicks, Summers, Williams, and a few others before some of the names on there.


When you really look at it, the guys they have listed there almost all have a "potential" to be better then your list. I could see Meija, Walker, and Baxendale having a case to break the list but at the expense of maybe Goodrum, Melotakis and Harrison. And to me I am not sure I think the Meija has better upside then Goodrum, or Walker over Harrison, or Baxendale over Melotakis. The prospect list is all about potential upside to be a star.

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 02:25 AM

Here is my go at it

1. Byron Buxton
2. Miguel Sano
3. Alex Meyer
4. Kohl Stewart
5. Eddie Rosario
6. Max Kepler
7. Trevor May
8. Travis Harrison
9. Jorge Polanco
10. J.O. Berrios
11. Josmil Pinto
12. Adam Brett Walker
13. Michael Tonkin
14. Aderlin Mejia
15. Kennys Vargas
16. Niko Goodrum
17. Ryan Eades
18. Amaurys Minier
19. DJ Baxendale
20. Zack Jones
21. Angel Morales
22. Mason Melotakis
23. Dalton Hicks
24. James Beresford
25. Stephen Gonsalves

Next: Stuart Turner, D.J. Williams, Nate Roberts, Logan Darnell, Luke Bard, Alex Wimmers, Tyler Duffey

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 06:59 AM

Why do people keep saying Sano might be a September call up? It makes no sense! Rosario is a slim possibility but it will not and should not happen for Sano! Get off it people!

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 08:00 AM

That has to be an error. If Sano keeps warming up and Rosario stays hot they might both be September call ups.


I think September next year is a good bet. I think we see one of the two of them as early as June.

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 08:00 AM

Why do people keep saying Sano might be a September call up? It makes no sense! Rosario is a slim possibility but it will not and should not happen for Sano! Get off it people!


I have to agree on this one. They will finish the season at AA. However, it would not surprise me at all if they both made the team out of ST next year. The Twins have proven they are willing to go that route several times in the recent past.

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 08:00 AM

Why do people keep saying Sano might be a September call up? It makes no sense! Rosario is a slim possibility but it will not and should not happen for Sano! Get off it people!


After watching the likes of Hicks, Arcia, Parmelee, and Dozier all struggle mightily after getting little to no time in Rochester before becoming big league regulars, I really hope the Twins have learned that a few months in AAA is beneficial--and in some cases necessary-- for young players to have success in the majors.

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 10:38 AM

After watching the likes of Hicks, Arcia, Parmelee, and Dozier all struggle mightily after getting little to no time in Rochester before becoming big league regulars, I really hope the Twins have learned that a few months in AAA is beneficial--and in some cases necessary-- for young players to have success in the majors.

Arcia struggled mightily? He was actually hitting very well before his late "slump".

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 10:39 AM

I think September next year is a good bet. I think we see one of the two of them as early as June.


I could see them giving them each a cup of coffee this sept, especially if more and more trades are made.

Neither one will be up full time until next June and that is a GOOD thing. I know people will prob be calling the Twins cheap etc, but with a guy like Sano you absolutely keep that extra year of team control at any cost, especially since the Twins "real" window probably starts in 2015, even though I think they can compete next year.

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 11:21 AM

Why do people keep saying Sano might be a September call up? It makes no sense! Rosario is a slim possibility but it will not and should not happen for Sano! Get off it people!


Maybe people keep saying that because the front office has mentioned it before. A Sept call up doesn't mean they have made the team next year. It is just away to see your prospects and reward them for having a good year.

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 01:35 PM

I could see them giving them each a cup of coffee this sept, especially if more and more trades are made.

Neither one will be up full time until next June and that is a GOOD thing. I know people will prob be calling the Twins cheap etc, but with a guy like Sano you absolutely keep that extra year of team control at any cost, especially since the Twins "real" window probably starts in 2015, even though I think they can compete next year.


Sano doesn't need to be added to the 40 man this offseason. He's not getting a cup of coffee in September. If they add him to the roster and send him back, they lose an option. He'll get called up in 2014 when the Twins brass decides that they are going to stick with him for the remainder of the season.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 08:35 AM

When you really look at it, the guys they have listed there almost all have a "potential" to be better then your list. I could see Meija, Walker, and Baxendale having a case to break the list but at the expense of maybe Goodrum, Melotakis and Harrison. And to me I am not sure I think the Meija has better upside then Goodrum, or Walker over Harrison, or Baxendale over Melotakis. The prospect list is all about potential upside to be a star.


I fully get that different lists have different objectives, but I'm not so sure Eades, Bard, Chargois, Gonsalves, nor Turner have done anything to show the upside of a star. Turner's bat profiles him as the next Drew Butera.

Again, I'd personally list a number of guys over all five of them. In my opinion, Mayo shows too much love for guys drafted in the top 3 rounds in recent years and not enough love for guys who have actually produced in the minors.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 08:46 AM

Not bad from 1-10, but I agree with the comments about pretty lazy -- especially 11-20.

I would have liked to see Adam Walker, Albers, Darnell, Tonkin, Pinto, Vargas, Meija, Hicks, Summers, Williams, and a few others before some of the names on there.


I think Walker, Pinto and a few others are going to get noticed soon. Look at the bright side, there are serveral good prospects that did not make it in the top 20. That is some pretty darn good depth.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 12:31 PM

Again, I'd personally list a number of guys over all five of them. In my opinion, Mayo shows too much love for guys drafted in the top 3 rounds in recent years and not enough love for guys who have actually produced in the minors.


I think this is a flaw in prospecting in general. Lots of interest in the new girl simply because she's new. That's how guys like Arcia consistently get underrated despite the fact that they've put up results at every stop.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 01:28 PM

I fully get that different lists have different objectives, but I'm not so sure Eades, Bard, Chargois, Gonsalves, nor Turner have done anything to show the upside of a star. Turner's bat profiles him as the next Drew Butera.

Again, I'd personally list a number of guys over all five of them. In my opinion, Mayo shows too much love for guys drafted in the top 3 rounds in recent years and not enough love for guys who have actually produced in the minors.


Eades was a top-of-2nd-round pick out of a top college. He's been successful in college and touches 94. I personally have him in a (not-yet-existing, but still-in-my-mind) Top 10.

Frankly, most (someone else can figure it out) big leaguers were drafted in the first three rounds of the draft, top 100 pick types. So, there's probably some certainty in a list like that. International is always kind of a question mark.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 01:35 PM

Sano doesn't need to be added to the 40 man this offseason. He's not getting a cup of coffee in September. If they add him to the roster and send him back, they lose an option. He'll get called up in 2014 when the Twins brass decides that they are going to stick with him for the remainder of the season.


Are you sure about that? I don't think September call ups use an option but I am not positive. I tried to do some searching but my google-fu is poor, I think I need invest some skill points during my next level up, but was only able to find this anything-but-official page clarifying:

Pirates Prospects » Previewing the September Call-Ups

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 01:37 PM

I think this is a flaw in prospecting in general. Lots of interest in the new girl simply because she's new. That's how guys like Arcia consistently get underrated despite the fact that they've put up results at every stop.


People were saying this last year with Buxton when doing their own personal top Twins lists. Players taken in the top 5 picks have a 88% chance to make it to the bigs and a 34% chance to have an impact. While Stewart could be in the 12% that dont, odds are against it. You just don't find many guys with his tools.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 01:48 PM

Are you sure about that? I don't think September call ups use an option but I am not positive. I tried to do some searching but my google-fu is poor, I think I need invest some skill points during my next level up, but was only able to find this anything-but-official page clarifying:

Pirates Prospects » Previewing the September Call-Ups

I'm pretty sure he just has to be on the 40 man and it doesn't burn an option. That is why rosters expand and so many minor league guys get looks.
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Posted 29 July 2013 - 01:49 PM

Eades was a top-of-2nd-round pick out of a top college. He's been successful in college and touches 94. I personally have him in a (not-yet-existing, but still-in-my-mind) Top 10.

Frankly, most (someone else can figure it out) big leaguers were drafted in the first three rounds of the draft, top 100 pick types. So, there's probably some certainty in a list like that. International is always kind of a question mark.


Picks 1-5 have a 88% chance to make it to the bigs for at least a cup of coffee. Rest of the first round is about a ~70% chance. Supplemental 1st rounders and second rounders have about a 50% chance to make it to the bigs. The farther you go down the draft the less likely you are to make the bigs and/or make an impact.

Eades is a damn good prospect and according to Christopher Crawford could be one of the first SPs to the bigs.