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Article: If We Like It, Then We Need to Put a Limit On It.
Posted 23 July 2013 - 08:37 PM
Posted 23 July 2013 - 09:36 PM
Now I'm not saying that there shouldn't be some sort of plan, but I'm not sure there is any hard evidence that suggests limiting these guys to roughly 20% inning increases each year makes a real difference.
Posted 23 July 2013 - 09:41 PM
Posted 24 July 2013 - 07:20 AM
Their philosophy seems to be one that has a minimum standard of what an arm can throw over a full year of ball. Having dead arm or muscle soreness in the shoulder isn't an arm problem, its building strength in the arm. They believe that anyone that has a healthy arm should be able to pitch about 130 innings in a year, provided they are spaced properly. By having relievers live up to that in their first year as a pro lets you see if they can handle starting. As a reliever if you don't have your best stuff you suffer through one inning and your done. As a starter, what you do without your best stuff defines your career.
Posted 24 July 2013 - 07:40 AM
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Posted 24 July 2013 - 10:37 AM
Also to consider is Luke Bard, though it seems he premptively got hurt, likely to delibrately throw off this study.
Edited by nicksaviking, 24 July 2013 - 10:42 AM.
Posted 24 July 2013 - 07:05 PM
Edited by Willihammer, 24 July 2013 - 07:10 PM.
Posted 24 July 2013 - 07:17 PM
Back in the day, when I umped high school baseball, the amount of pitches some of those kids made could be extremely high, even though the innings weren't that high. 30 or 40 pitches an inning wasn't unusual, thanks to control issues and defense issues. Having a kid pitch 3 times in week wasn't unusual either, because of the way the games were compressed. Just a couple of years ago I watched a high school game where the coach called every pitch from the dugout. In an early spring game(in North Dakota) he let his starter pitch 7 innings and had him throw over half breaking balls. I am sure the kid threw 200 pitches. There isn't much sense out there when it comes to protecting young arms. I doubt if many young pitchers get to the minors without some sort of arm or shoulder damage.
All that being said, you do have to pitch to learn how to pitch. I don't think Bert is particularly right about pitch limits and such. But it is a fine line. A college pitcher coming into the minors being limited too much, well it is going to take years for him to build up the arm strength to pitch 200 innings in a season. At some point they have to pitch. In order develop all their pitches. To just learn how to pitch.
Posted 24 July 2013 - 09:18 PM
Jim your example made my arm hurt. I pitched in North Dakota in college and rarely threw my curve until the end of the season. Simply too cold and could never get a feel for it. I ran sprints between innings to keep a sweat on, so the number of pitches was no problem. Really didn't use the curve unless the sun came out.
. In an early spring game(in North Dakota) he let his starter pitch 7 innings and had him throw over half breaking balls.
Posted 25 July 2013 - 08:18 AM
The 6 man rotation has helped limit innings for Lee and Melotakis in CR, but they both could be inching up on some sort of limit. They've been the two most reliably consistent starters for the Kernels, so it would be nice to do whatever must be done to make sure they've still got some innings in the tank for the playoffs in September.
Posted 25 July 2013 - 08:33 AM
Cookie cutter approaches rarely work. Individual assessments needed.
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Posted 25 July 2013 - 03:22 PM
Thrylos, I get that there is no canned formula for determining an innings-count, but staying healthy after seeing a spike in IP appears to be exception, not the rule.