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#1 Cody Christie

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 09:43 AM

You can view the page at http://twinsdaily.co...ll-Star-Rosters

#2 stringer bell

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 11:16 AM

Cuddyer is a former teammate to each of the All-Stars. No one else played with all of these current All-Stars. Ortiz left after 2002 and Hardy was only here for 2010.

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 02:20 PM

Ortiz, Gomez: Didn't blossom until after they were here - Gomez taking several years to reach this level. Who knows if either would have ever excelled without the proverbial change of scenery.
JJ Hardy: His numbers are very good this year, but not All-Star caliber. Hardy has a better present, Florimon has more potential for the future. On this current team, I go with Florimon.
Nathan, Cuddyer and Hunter: All have done remarkably well, but each had issues where their age made it a big risk to give a big contract. Would you really trade Glen Perkins for Nathan straight up??? Torii Hunter, however, would have been nice to keep around. However, the Twins have a lot of outfield talent waiting in their farm system. If either Torii or Michael had been here, Oswaldo Arcia would still be at AAA (or maybe even AA under certain scenarios). Then again, Hicks may have been there too, and getting ready for success in major leagues versus his anemic production so far (although improving)
Jesse Crain: too expensive to pay for a reliever. Risk/reward is a tough thing to consider when signing relievers

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 06:21 PM

Liriano could have made the team as well.

For Johan the Twins got two All Stars--Gomez, turned into Hardy. Too bad the Twins chose Nishioka.

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 08:13 PM

Grant Balfour is being tabbed as the replacement All Star for one of the starters who pitches next Sunday.

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 10:37 PM

What's depressing about this list is most of these guys left via Free Agency.
I think Cuddy was turned into Berriors which was a decent exchange. But besides that these all stars were lost for no return.
Is Morneau on this list next year?

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 08:00 AM

Rand did a fun little exercise showing that while we'd have a better lineup and (more) elite bullpen today, the kids wouldn't be getting experience. Meanwhile, our payroll would be $130M and the rotation... well, it'd be the exact same. I guesstimate we'd maybe be .500.

"The lineup: If the Twins had all three of those outfielders, they wouldn’t have signed Josh Willingham. Aaron Hicks or Oswaldo Arcia might be here as a fourth outfielder, but not both. Ryan Doumit wouldn’t have a regular spot in the lineup with Ortiz here, so signing him would not have made much sense. And Hardy would be in at short instead of Pedro Florimon. So we’ll go with: 1) Gomez, CF 2) Joe Mauer, C 3) Cuddyer, RF 4) Ortiz, DH 5) Hunter, LF 6) Justin Morneau, 1B 7) Hardy, SS 8) Trevor Plouffe, 3B 9) Brian Dozier, 2B. • The bullpen: A back end of the ’pen featuring Crain, Nathan and Glen Perkins would be mighty nice.
• The rotation: Completely unchanged, which is unfortunate.
• The money: Here’s where things get tricky. The Twins would be spending almost $100 million on 10 players based on 2013 salaries, per baseball-reference.com: Cuddyer ($10.5 million); Gomez ($4.3 million); Mauer ($23 million); Hunter ($12 million); Hardy ($7 million); Ortiz ($14 million ); Crain ($4.5 million); Nathan ($7 million); Perkins ($2.5 million); Morneau ($14 million).
[+$30M for the remaining 15 active roster spots]
So Minnesota would have had a $130 million payroll, with the exact same starting rotation."

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 08:17 AM

Grant Balfour is being tabbed as the replacement All Star for one of the starters who pitches next Sunday.

He just set an Oakland As record for consecutive saves.

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 08:52 AM

I guesstimate we'd maybe be .500.

Okay, I take it back.

Putting their offensive stats into this Lineup Analysis and shaving off 10 points from OBP and SLG for missed games (played by replacement players) still results in a projection of 5.410 runs/game. We've scored 358 so far this year, while that lineup would have paced at 465. We're talking 107 runs.

It's much more of a guesstimate with the bullpen, but if we shave off 13 runs, we end up with a bullpen ERA that leads the AL. So, we'd have given up 395 runs instead of the 408 we have allowed now.

Plug those numbers into Pythagorean and, voila, we'd be on pace for 93-69 instead of 71-91 that our current numbers show.

That would be quite the ideal scenario, but it's not quite fair to just pluck out the former Twins that are having career years in several cases. We'd have to consider all the others that have been passed on, how they're doing, and what they would've cost. RA Dickey's $12.5M isn't so hot this year. Johan's $24M wouldn't be getting any production. Matt Guerrier would be another $5M. It's easy to keep going and see how we could have a $200M payroll.

We could probably paint a picture from the other end of the spectrum and show how bad we could be if we had kept all the wrong players and have a seriously bloated payroll.

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 09:28 AM

Not sure the pen would be quite as good if they were backing up the current front 5... just a thought.