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#1 Nick Nelson

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 09:45 PM

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#2 stringer bell

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 09:53 PM

Two outstanding talents, no question. The Twins look like they will have very good talent very soon at most positions. I hope some of the pitching prospects can develop!

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 09:55 PM

here is a big question buxton and sano are the two best prospects in the system, who is the most overlooked?

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 10:30 PM

here is a big question buxton and sano are the two best prospects in the system, who is the most overlooked?


Rosario or Berrios

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 10:46 PM

Pretty sure Sano and Buxton will be in the futures game this year but will anyone else from the Twins? Meyer and Rosario possibly?

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 11:10 PM

here is a big question buxton and sano are the two best prospects in the system, who is the most overlooked?


Maybe Arcia, who I rank third... I don't think that Alex Meyer, Kyle Gibson, JO Berrios and Eddie Rosario are overlooked. I rank Kennys Vargas higher than every, so I think he is overlooked. My other two top ten are Jorge Polanco and Travis Harrison.

But the guy that I have overlooked for far too long is Josmil (Hose-meal) Pinto, who continues to rake and play solid enough defense.

#7 kab21

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 12:34 AM

I think Rosario gets overlooked since others have considered his numbers to be good/very good. He has awesome numbers for someone his age playing in the FSL that has a good chance to stay at 2B.

Kepler has recently been overlooked based on him being injured and not playing while so many have had great 1st halves.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 01:23 AM

I really think Buxton has a shot at getting to the show as fast now as Sano. Can you imagine all three of Buxton, Sano, and Rosario getting the call on June 20, 2014 (arbitrary date that should delay the financials)?

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 04:25 AM

Someone else posted somewhere, I couldn't find it, that the twins will space Sano & Buxton to avoid them arriving at free agency at the same time.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 04:51 AM

Maybe Arcia, who I rank third... I don't think that Alex Meyer, Kyle Gibson, JO Berrios and Eddie Rosario are overlooked. I rank Kennys Vargas higher than every, so I think he is overlooked. My other two top ten are Jorge Polanco and Travis Harrison.

But the guy that I have overlooked for far too long is Josmil (Hose-meal) Pinto, who continues to rake and play solid enough defense.


Are the Twins themselves overlooking Pinto? The guy is an Eastern League top player, hitting for both average and power. And....There's not exactly a lot of blockage at AAA.

Over the last few years the FO has never been real comfortable with long-term relationships with Latin catchers. Are their language and cultural barriers that give the Twins pause on Pinto?

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 05:13 AM

Judging by age. numbers and players in front of him, one would think that the Twins would definitely promote Pinto at the minor league All-Star break. He has to be an EL All-Star, although I've heard no word about that.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 07:51 AM

Honestly, I think almost the entire Kernels roster outside of Buxton gets overlooked to some degree. If there's a silver lining for local fans in Cedar Rapids in Buxton getting promoted soon, it might be that some of the other guys will start to get more opportunities to get a little more well-deserved attention.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 07:56 AM

Someone else posted somewhere, I couldn't find it, that the twins will space Sano & Buxton to avoid them arriving at free agency at the same time.


I don't think so. I think Ryan has been very clear that we worry about that way more than he does. I think they'll both be up when Ryan thinks they are ready, money being no real factor. I take Ryan at his word on this.
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Posted 12 June 2013 - 08:10 AM

I don't think so. I think Ryan has been very clear that we worry about that way more than he does. I think they'll both be up when Ryan thinks they are ready, money being no real factor. I take Ryan at his word on this.


I totally agree with Mike. If these two guys perform at expected levels once they're in the show, the Twins are going to try to lock them up long term way before they have to worry about arbitration clocks and free agency. They'll both get Mauer-like contracts and whether those contracts start the same year or are staggered by one year hardly matters over the long haul. Let's just hope the Twins have a little more team-friendly local broadcast rights deal by then.

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#15 Shane Wahl

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 08:12 AM

Good article, summing up the situation. After this season, we are looking at 2 top 5-6 prospects in all of baseball.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 09:14 AM

Judging by age. numbers and players in front of him, one would think that the Twins would definitely promote Pinto at the minor league All-Star break. He has to be an EL All-Star, although I've heard no word about that.


I don't think it's a big deal that Pinto stays in AA since AA and AAA are not that far apart. The biggest problem with promoting Pinto (and Koch) is that it further wipes out the lower minors catching depth. If Turner can make the jump to at least low A once he signs it would help.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 09:37 AM

RE: SD Buhr (team friendly broadcast rights)

What is the current broadcast rights situation?

Obviously I know it's FSN, but what's contract duration? Are we actually in the lower tier of the league or do we just assume that?

I wonder what effect Fox Sports One (coming in August) will have on negociated contracts moving forward.

This probably deserves it's own thread... or heck, even an article written by one of the talented writers here at TD.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 12:15 PM

I don't know what the Twins' TV broadcast rights deal with FSN is. For whatever reason, it seems like there's been almost nothing written about the actual terms. Maybe it's because the local media writers don't ask or maybe it's that the Twins aren't forthcoming with information when they do get asked. In the absence of information to the contrary, I guess many of us just assume that the Twins are sharing in the broadcast rights bonanza that the largest market teams are reportedly getting in their newest deals.I do think that people generally underestimate the Twins media market size. Conventional wisdom seems to be that the Twins are a "small market" team, when in fact the MSP market is at least "middle market."You're right, tho, this probably warrants its own thread at some point.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 01:16 PM

Oddly enough I'm going to with angel Moreles just based on the fact that , A he's been injured B the twins seem to have a surplus of outfielders. C. he seems to have been in the twins organization forever. i think that he just get's overlooked for that fact. seth the other guys you mention we seem to talk about allot. but it is True if you aren't in the first five to ten prospects or drafted in the first five rounds you tend to get overlooked, don't know if that is right or wrong though.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 01:30 PM

Eddie Rosario is definitely the most overlooked prospect, relative to his value. While his numbers might be slightly skewed by the fact that he's still in High-A ball and will be 22 in September, a left-handed 2B who hits for power and average?! Middle infield prospects are rare, and even some of the good ones pan out, but while other teams are bringing up Jason Kipnis (pretty good) and Dustin Ackley (struggled, sent down), Rosario is the only guy of his kind in the organization for some time.

Sano and Buxton go to show how just a few elite prospects can change the whole perception of the farm system.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 01:47 PM

I spent some time studying the impact of TV contracts on MLB franchises for my Sports Business class when I was in undergrad. You can message me if you'd like me to send you my final paper from the class on this issue (that felt narcissistic). Here's what I can say off the top of my head.

The current TV contract between Fox Sports North and the Twins is estimated to be worth between $27-29M annually. That's a lot of money, but it's also abysmal in comparison to other teams' deals. To put this comment into perspective, the Dodgers' recent TV contract (the largest driving force behind their sale price) was worth $7 Billion over 25 years, or about $280M annually. That number should put the Dodgers' recent spending spree into context. Teams like the Yankees have TV deals that are or will be well into the hundreds of millions annually by the end of the contract. The Tigers make somewhere around $40M a year annually.

This is probably the most overlooked facet of professional baseball, and arguably the most potent in terms of allowing teams to spend freely, especially without a salary cap.

The Twins are ranked 15th in terms of market size (Nielson rating), but should probably rank much lower due to remarkably low cable/satellite subscriber numbers. Is there anyone to blame here? Not really. Hopefully whenever the Twins can opt-out/the deal ends they can get a better deal and try to funnel some of that revenue stream into FA signings/retaining talent.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 03:10 PM

The Twins are ranked 15th in terms of market size (Nielson rating), but should probably rank much lower due to remarkably low cable/satellite subscriber numbers. Is there anyone to blame here? Not really.


I think the team is a little bit to blame. It's been awhile so I might be misremembering this a bit, but I'm thinking about when the Twins tried and failed to start their own network a decade ago. Most people in "Twins Territory" didn't have access to view the games for the first month or so of the season because hardly any cable/satalite providers would meet the Twins (rediculous) broadcasting price. When the Twins finally scrapped their network midseason, they were forced to crawl back to FSN. Just a hunch but considering the Twins had egg on their face and had next to no bargaining leverage, I think it's a fairly safe assumption that they may not have gotten a deal comparable to other clubs as they had arrived at the negotiating table strapped over a barrell they created themselves.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 05:12 PM

When the Twins finally scrapped their network midseason, they were forced to crawl back to FSN. Just a hunch but considering the Twins had egg on their face and had next to no bargaining leverage, I think it's a fairly safe assumption that they may not have gotten a deal comparable to other clubs as they had arrived at the negotiating table strapped over a barrell they created themselves.

They've renegotiated since then, at least once, probably more. The biggest problems for the Twins with their TV deal are that MSP has an extremely low cable subscriber rate (relatively speaking) and there's no competition to drive up the price.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 07:33 PM

I think Mason Melotakis (Cedar Rapids) could become a not bad big league pitcher, has 6-2 record with a 3.24 ERA.....Muren also looks like an exciting reliever, also i cannot wait to see Kepler to get called up to Cedar Rapids.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 08:21 PM

On overlooked prospects.... Rosario is #1 in my book, he's way better than Dozier and probably Danny Santana and Levi Michael. Oswaldo Arica is just 22 and already looks good at the plate in the majors level. I also think Pinto could be the next Wilson Ramos... or maybe replace Ryan Doumit.