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#1 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 06:30 AM

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#2 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 07:13 AM

Lineups:

Twins:
Jamey Carroll 3B
Joe Mauer C
Ryan Doumit RF
Josh Willingham DH
Justin Morneau 1B
Oswaldo Arcia LF
Brian Dozier 2B
Clete Thomas CF
Pedro Florimon SS
(P.J. Walters P)

Phillies:
Michael Young 3B
Ben Revere CF
Jimmy Rollins SS
Ryan Howard 1B
Domonic Brown LF
Delmon Young DH
John Mayberry RF
Freddy Galvis 2B
Humberto Quintero C
(Cole Hamels P)

#3 Shane Wahl

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 07:28 AM

Against a lefty, this is going to be interesting to see who is in the lineup. Herrmann doesn't have much of a split difference over the past two seasons, whereas Thomas really did in 2012. And the other options in RF are Arcia, Parmelee, and Doumit.

I would prefer Willingham-Herrmann-Parmelee, with Doumit DHing (and letting Arcia rest one game). But I bet it is Willingham-Thomas-Doumit with Arcia DHing.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 12:25 PM

Thomas needs to be on a very short leash. If he keeps hitting like he has been known to, than I want to see Hermann and Arcia get all of his at bats. I know Thomas is our "only" CF but he still needs to hit the ball or it won't matter that he is a good average CF. also he is not a prospect and does not need checked out.

#5 Shane Wahl

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 02:09 PM

Thomas needs to be on a very short leash. If he keeps hitting like he has been known to, than I want to see Hermann and Arcia get all of his at bats. I know Thomas is our "only" CF but he still needs to hit the ball or it won't matter that he is a good average CF. also he is not a prospect and does not need checked out.


I agree and honestly, who cares about Clete Thomas going forward? If Chris Herrmann is an adequate and ultimately 3rd CF, that is a nice advance for Herrmann in his career as then a C and a utility outfielder.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 03:43 PM

Agreed, I'd love to have Hermann prove that he's an adequate PH/backup CF/backup catcher. He's had some nice moments so far. I hope he gets to play a lot while Hicks is out.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 03:53 PM

This could be the worst defensive OF lineup in decades.
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Posted 11 June 2013 - 04:05 PM

This could be the worst defensive OF lineup in decades.
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Cuddyer started a handful of games in center field. Trust me, those were worse.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 04:21 PM

In 2008 and 2013

RF: Kubel >> Doumit

CF: Cuddyer < Thomas

LF: DYoung > Arcia


Toss up.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 04:42 PM

I gotta do some coaching tonight so I'll be Glorm like and join the game thread late... I just want to say... Worley has been a disappointment and May is struggling with his control but I still make that trade out of necessity.

As for Revere... He hasn't hit that well this year but I still miss watching him play. I will be secretly hoping he puts on a show of some sort in the next 3 games... Hopefully all the other Phillies tank so I'm comfortable hoping good things for Ben.
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#11 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 05:42 PM

In 2008 and 2013

RF: Kubel >> Doumit

CF: Cuddyer < Thomas

LF: DYoung > Arcia


Toss up.


If you're giving >> to Kubel over Doumit, then you have to also say:

Thomas >>>>>> Cuddyer

Cuddy was a pretty bad right fielder whose only good attribute was his arm. He was an absolutely atrocious center fielder, the most important position in the outfield. Cuddyer's career dWAR is -13, most of it as a corner outfielder. That's horrendous.

Also, Delmon's career dWAR is nearly -9 and he's not even close to 30. I'll take Arcia any day.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 06:12 PM

First thing you notice about the Twins OF is the wide shot at the start of the game...they're all playing with their ass against the fence.

I'd really like the Twins to start playing their OFers shallower in most situations. I realize that's not likely to happen, since they've been doing that throughout the Gardy era, but I can wish.

As to who's playing the corners, unless they're absolutely terrible, it just doesn't matter that much.

#13 mikeee

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 06:17 PM

pj! pj! pj!

#14 mikeee

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 06:18 PM

WTH happened to Hamels? 2-9? 4.56 era?

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 06:21 PM

I was at the Sunday evening game agains the Nats -- get Herrman in the lineup as much as possible. He looked like the only one out there who was fired up and wanted to play ball.

#16 Ultima Ratio

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 06:21 PM

Small ball. Good job Joe, get that runner in scoring position.

#17 IdahoPilgrim

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 06:28 PM

Small ball. Good job Joe, get that runner in scoring position.


Yep. More exciting to let them die at 3rd.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 06:29 PM

Small ball. Good job Joe, get that runner in scoring position.

I know that's what I look for in a 23M per year player.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 06:31 PM

I know that's what I look for in a 23M per year player.


I look for him to make whatever play his coach asks him to make based on the field situation. Although it's unlikely Gardy put the sign on there anyway.

#20 Ultima Ratio

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 06:33 PM

Tough room

#21 IdahoPilgrim

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 06:40 PM

Tough room


Tough time to be a Twins fan.;)

#22 Joe A. Preusser

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 06:42 PM

Tough room


Nah, I just don't share Chief's disdain for small ball.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 06:43 PM

I look for him to make whatever play his coach asks him to make based on the field situation. Although it's unlikely Gardy put the sign on there anyway.

I agree...it's unlikely Gardy gave him the sign for "top one softly up the first base line."

#24 CairoCrown

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 06:43 PM

Ugh, what's with the crawler along the bottom of the screen? Way to drop the ball on the broadcast FSN!!!!!!!11111

#25 Ultima Ratio

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 06:45 PM

Yep. More exciting to let them die at 3rd.


All about the suspense. Not all about runs.
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Posted 11 June 2013 - 06:46 PM

All about the suspense. Not all about runs.


OK, I hear ya, but you gotta admit that the first doesn't matter as much if you don't have the second.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 06:47 PM

I agree...it's unlikely Gardy gave him the sign for "top one softly up the first base line."


Well, you'd be just as annoyed if Mauer had bunted him over though, right?

#28 IdahoPilgrim

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 06:47 PM

Looks like a good crowd there tonight.

#29 Ultima Ratio

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 06:48 PM

Nah, I just don't share Chief's disdain for small ball.


I think it was a gentle jab at our franchise player actually, but can't speak for Chief.
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Posted 11 June 2013 - 06:51 PM

Well, you'd be just as annoyed if Mauer had bunted him over thought, right?

More so.

I'm somewhat flabbergasted by the idea that moving one runner up one base at the expense of an out, in the bottom of the first, is a good thing in any way shape or form.