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Skipping High-A: Buxton?

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#1 PseudoSABR

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 01:36 AM

Is their precedence for skipping High-A in this organization, or any other? The idea of getting Sano, Rosario, and Buxton around each other seems particularly palatable to me.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 02:39 AM

How about, from a purely selfish perspective on my part, leave him in Cedar Rapids the remainder of this season then send him directly to AA.


I won't get my trip to CR in before he gets promoted otherwise. :sadface:

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 06:00 AM

I'm guessing no... He's doing well, but I think he's going to be promoted to Fort Meyers shortly.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 06:22 AM

No. In addition to being the first serious test for a hitter (A+ is a pitcher's league), it is a huge PR issue. And Fort Myers is a Twins' town.
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Posted 11 June 2013 - 07:18 AM

The common conception is that the two biggest jumps in level for a prospect to make is from A+ to AA and from A to A+.

Doesn't really make sense to do them both at once. For any prospect.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 07:24 AM

This just makes no sense to happen. No need to rush Buxton right now. I'd rather the Twins were aggressive with Stewart and put him in Cedar Rapids this season.
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Posted 11 June 2013 - 07:36 AM

The only time it matters to have Sano, Rosario and Buxton on the same team is when they are all ready for the major league team. Fortunately, we won't have to wait too long to see that. I expect both Sano and Rosario to make their Twins debuts before the All-Star break in 2014. I wouldn't be surprised to see Buxton in a Twins uni in September of 2014.
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Posted 11 June 2013 - 07:50 AM

I can't see the Twins doing this. Buxton will go to FTM this year, eventually. Next year he'll be in NB at some point. Beyond that, no idea.

What I just typed is probably an opinion, not a fact. I mean, I'm usually right, so you should maybe assume it is or will be a fact soon, but that's up to you. :)


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Posted 11 June 2013 - 08:14 AM

Why do they need to be "around" each other? They all play diff positions, not like they are double play partners etc

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 08:32 AM

Buxton will finish the year at Ft. Myers and start 2014 in AA.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 08:43 AM

Buxton will finish the year at Ft. Myers and start 2014 in AA.

Yes, if he continues to rake and be compared to HOFers.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 08:44 AM

I am very much against the idea of Buxton skipping A+, especially because the Florida State League is a pitcher's league.
That being said, Cardinals 2B prospect Kolten Wong (who made pretty much every top-100 list this past year in the 75-100 range) went from A-ball in 2011 as a 20 year old (.911 OPS) to AA-ball in 2012 as a 21 year old (.754 OPS) and is now in AAA as a 22 year old (.835 OPS).
It can, and has been done, but with a prospect like Buxton, it isn't worth the risk.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 09:07 AM

Kohl Stewart is a High School draftee. He should start at Elizabethton or the GCL. It would be crazy to send him to A Ball in Cedar Rapids for the last half of this season. Buxton will be promoted after the Kernals win the first half championship in a few days.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 09:17 AM

I doubt the Twins want to put Buxton and Sano on the same arbitration schedule. With the recent promotions, Sano, Rosario and Meyer could be timing things a little awkwardly for the Twins as it is.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 09:43 AM

Also, just let him move up at his pace... let's see what he does in Ft. Myers. If he dominates there for 2 months, start him in New Britain next year. It shouldn't be a race to get him to AA.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 09:46 AM

Also, just let him move up at his pace... let's see what he does in Ft. Myers. If he dominates there for 2 months, start him in New Britain next year. It shouldn't be a race to get him to AA.


I agree, he should move at his pace, not when All Star games are, not slower because CR is a new affiliate, not anything about the minor league teams at all.

What I just typed is probably an opinion, not a fact. I mean, I'm usually right, so you should maybe assume it is or will be a fact soon, but that's up to you. :)


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Posted 11 June 2013 - 10:00 AM

Thankfully Ft. Myers doesn't play this weekend (All-Star Break). Otherwise my trip to Cedar Rapids this weekend might not include seeing Buxton play. I have no doubts he will be in Ft. Myers soon after. Can't wait to watch them on Friday night.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 11:35 AM

I have said it before but the only reason that you push Buxton to AA this year is so you can call him up early (April/May) next year. 1/2 a season in Ft Myers and 1/2 a season in NB and that allows him to be called up if he is considered ready. That's fast enough for me.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 12:12 PM

Also, just let him move up at his pace...


Isn't that kind of the point? Some people are just better at some things than others. Maybe his pace should be getting to AA this year. It's not about it being a race, per se. It's about letting his talent be tested in the proper environment. If somebody is just flat out better than everyone he's playing with, isn't it time to start looking to move him to a more suitable environment?

I'm not really advocating anything as of yet, cause I'm assuming he'll hit A+ in a couple weeks or so, and then we start learning more. But I think keeping an open mind to anything with ludicrous talent makes sense.

The biggest knock on Buxton seems to be his understanding of stealing bases. Really? That's hardly important enough to hold somebody back. If he hits again at Ft. Myers, why not think about New Britain this year? It's not necessary? What does necessary have to do with it. The question should be "can he benefit from it?", and so far I think the evidence says he might. If he stumbles at Ft. Myers, so be it, but if he rips it up, we probably have one of those once-in-a-blue-moon talents that you should be willing to alter your normal pattern for.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 12:34 PM

Isn't that kind of the point? Some people are just better at some things than others. Maybe his pace should be getting to AA this year. It's not about it being a race, per se. It's about letting his talent be tested in the proper environment. If somebody is just flat out better than everyone he's playing with, isn't it time to start looking to move him to a more suitable environment?

I'm not really advocating anything as of yet, cause I'm assuming he'll hit A+ in a couple weeks or so, and then we start learning more. But I think keeping an open mind to anything with ludicrous talent makes sense.

The biggest knock on Buxton seems to be his understanding of stealing bases. Really? That's hardly important enough to hold somebody back. If he hits again at Ft. Myers, why not think about New Britain this year? It's not necessary? What does necessary have to do with it. The question should be "can he benefit from it?", and so far I think the evidence says he might. If he stumbles at Ft. Myers, so be it, but if he rips it up, we probably have one of those once-in-a-blue-moon talents that you should be willing to alter your normal pattern for.


Excellent post.

The Nervous Nellies and their excessive "nellieness" simply doesn't apply to guys like Trout, Machado, and hopefully, Buxton.

The most recent argument used for objecting Buxton's rapid progression was his supposed "slumping badly" May. His "slump" in that month produced a .294 BA with an .834 OPS- a number that still would have placed him in the top ten in the Midwest League. Furthermore, his last 10 game statistics (half of which were in the month of May) are above his April otherworldliness numbers, producing a slash line of .463/.500/.683/.1183. So yeah, he's made the "adjustments to the adjustments", just as many of us predicted he would. (Even overcoming a minor injury in the process).

If we really want to "just let him move up at his own pace", look to Trout and Machado as examples, not the Standard Operating Procedure inherent in the usual Twins promotion schedule.