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#1 Nick Nelson

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Posted 09 June 2013 - 10:57 PM

You can view the page at http://twinsdaily.co...cts-on-the-Move

#2 Zephrin

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Posted 09 June 2013 - 11:09 PM

Obviously Morales moving up leaves a gaping hole in A+ for Buxton :)

I don't feel like the AA 1Bs would be holding back Vargas - surprised he didn't move up with the rest of the crew.

Finally, how about Josamil Pinto to AAA? (With a corresponding removal of Drew Butera from the 40-man. I know, too much to ask.)

#3 Seth Stohs

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Posted 09 June 2013 - 11:20 PM

Buxton will move up the day or day after Cedar Rapids clinches a playoff spot (or 1st place in the division).

Jeremy and I were talking about Vargas as well. Vargas could play in the All Star game and then move up to New Britain At that time, Dalton Hicks could move up to Ft. Myers. In that case, the Twins could move Rory Rhodes up to Cedar Rapids. Rhodes has already played in the rookie years the past four years which means he can't play for Elizabethton (or GCL) again in 2013. He could move up at that time.

Butera won't (and shouldn't) be DFAd at this time, and Pinto can stay in AA. Maybe later in the season. But Butera has value and once he's had some time to show his health, the Twins might be able to trade him. His glove/arm means the Twins could get something for him.

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Posted 09 June 2013 - 11:37 PM

I don't feel like the AA 1Bs would be holding back Vargas - surprised he didn't move up with the rest of the crew.

Might be waiting for Michael Gonzales to come off the DL, they don't want to leave the Miracles without enough players to field a team. ;) Also Vargas only had a 1/2 a season in Low A last year, Twins would be moving him quickly if he only got a 1/2 a season in High A too.

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Posted 09 June 2013 - 11:39 PM

Buxton will move up the day or day after Cedar Rapids clinches a playoff spot (or 1st place in the division).

Jeremy and I were talking about Vargas as well. Vargas could play in the All Star game and then move up to New Britain At that time, Dalton Hicks could move up to Ft. Myers. In that case, the Twins could move Rory Rhodes up to Cedar Rapids. Rhodes has already played in the rookie years the past four years which means he can't play for Elizabethton (or GCL) again in 2013. He could move up at that time.

Butera won't (and shouldn't) be DFAd at this time, and Pinto can stay in AA. Maybe later in the season. But Butera has value and once he's had some time to show his health, the Twins might be able to trade him. His glove/arm means the Twins could get something for him.


A near 30 year old non hitting catcher would only have value on a team that would waste its #3 pick on a Drew clone...better catchers were released this past week...

#6 Rosterman

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Posted 09 June 2013 - 11:42 PM

Plus, Drew is on a $700,000 salary for this year! Another Twins mistake!

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Posted 09 June 2013 - 11:49 PM

I'm glad I never gave up on Angel Morales as a prospect. Oh wait, I did give up on him, shame on me! Glad to see he is proving me wrong.

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 12:16 AM

What a difference a weak week makes.

Nick Nelson on 6-9-13:

The Twins dropped two of three in Washington over the weekend, widening their deficit in the AL Central to 7.5 games. For the big-league club, things are looking rather grim.


Nick Nelson on 6-2-13:

Still, compared to the last two seasons, the positives in this campaign have been almost overwhelming.


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Posted 10 June 2013 - 05:45 AM

Will there be other moves? They move 3 players to New Britain and only one to Rochester.

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 06:24 AM

The old adage is that a baseball season can be broken into three columns. All teams win one third of their games--even the lousy teams. All teams lose one third of their games--even the best teams. It is the other third that makes the difference. The series with Washington is a perfect example. Minnesota wins game one on the strength of their bullpen and a hot backup catcher/dh. The Nats blow out the Twins in game two. Then in that all-important third game, our Twinkies lose game three by one run, as the pesky Nats poke away at the Twins lead as a 4-1 lead slowly goes "pear-shaped" 4-1, 4-2, 4-3, 4-4, to a 5-4 final. Can the prospects coming up, if they raise production at 2nd base (Rosario vs. Dozier), 3rd base (Sano vs. Escobar/Plouffe/Carroll), and center field (Can we already say Buxton vs. Hicks?) raise the Twins production to the point where they win two out of three?

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 07:00 AM

How'd the Single A all star game go for those guys? I missed it somehow.

edit: nm, I see in the other thread the break is now. I thought somehow I'd missed something.....

Edited by mike wants wins, 10 June 2013 - 07:05 AM.


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Posted 10 June 2013 - 07:06 AM

It's good to see the upward movement. At this point, the best thing we can hope for as Twins fans is that the prospects make steady progress and are eventually able to translate their minor league success to the major league team. I continue to believe that a managerial change would be beneficial before the prospects hit the majors.

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 08:26 AM

What a difference a weak week makes.


My outlook hasn't changed. The Twins' chances of competing this year look grim (as has always been the case) but there are plenty of long-term positives to be found throughout the organization. It's really just about the big picture vs. the here and now.

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 08:35 AM

One interesting aspect of this move that I didn't touch on is that Sano and Rosario are both guys who entered the season with major question marks about their ability to stick where they're at defensively. The fact that both have been promoted so aggressively is a sign that either A) the Twins view their progress in the field very favorably, or B) the Twins are high enough on them that they want to keep pushing them while putting defense on the backburner a little bit, which would be uncharacteristic for them.

Either way, it's nice to see.

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 08:37 AM

My outlook hasn't changed. The Twins' chances of competing this year look grim (as has always been the case) but there are plenty of long-term positives to be found throughout the organization. It's really just about the big picture vs. the here and now.



What are the positives at the MLB level? I am struggling, personally, to see them right now. I can't think of 1 young player that I view as a long term contributor (relief pitchers excluded).
Lighten up Francis....

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 08:49 AM

^ I like how people constantly ignore sentences providing context, such as "Still, compared to the last two seasons, ... " when they attempt go after you, Nick. q; )

Scouting Report: Power: 30, Hitting: 50, Arm: 60, Defense: 40, Speed: 40. "Line drive swing and shows good contact and on-base abilities. Double's power at his peak. Strong arm from 2B or the OF, stiff hands. Not a fast runner, but above average instincts on the bases. Skinny body doesn't look the part, but can sneak up on you. ACL surgery sapped much of his athleticism." (Probably)


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Posted 10 June 2013 - 09:00 AM

^ I like how people constantly ignore sentences providing context, such as "Still, compared to the last two seasons, ... " when they attempt go after you, Nick. q; )


Right, everything is relative... people must realize that this season can be filled with plight and still a vast improvement over the last two.

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 09:08 AM

Kepler! This might open a spot for Harrison in Ft. Meyers too. Man, the Twins could be extremely young and good in 5 years. I'm just hoping all the prospects continue to take steps forward. The Twins have to be satisfied with the production of their prospects so far this season.

#19 mike wants wins

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 09:20 AM

I didn't "go after him"....he said "throughout the organization", and I just want to have help understanding what is good at the MLB level. Nothing more sinister than that. No "digs". No nothing other than I'm trying to find hope at the MLB level. Actually looking for someone to offer some positives so I can see them, and not just see the negatives.

What has improved over the last two, that's what I'm trying to understand. The hitting and pitching and fielding are worse, by WAR measurements (and their components) for everyone but the relief pitchers. So, I'm looking for some bright spots, and I am struggling to see them. If Nick, or you, have ideas of what they are, I'm all eyes.
Lighten up Francis....

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 09:26 AM

Will there be other moves? They move 3 players to New Britain and only one to Rochester.


Yeah, I wonder about that two. Did they release two kids to free up roster spots?

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 09:26 AM

At the moment, I've got a few names I'd like to see promoted. Some might be a little unlikely, but as far as performance goes, these players have all been solid.
AAA Kyle Gibson
AAA Andrew Albers
AA Josmil Pinto
AA Logan Darnell
A+ Kennys Vargas
A+ Matt Koch
A+ Zach Jones
A Byron Buxton
A Dalton Hicks
A Steven Gruver
Rk Angel Mata

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 09:29 AM

AAA Kyle Gibson
AAA Andrew Albers
who do you drop ?

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 09:39 AM

What are the positives at the MLB level? I am struggling, personally, to see them right now. I can't think of 1 young player that I view as a long term contributor (relief pitchers excluded).


Living in DC area don't get much of a chance to see the Twins (and last couple of seasons only trip to Balmer is in April)--so I saw them live yesterday--get much different perspective. I was very disappointed in infielders--none seem to have range (though Florimon made a couple of nice plays after the game was decided--not when game was in balance). And Dozier should have gotten error that lead to all the runs--it was not a hit.

The good news--I was impressed by Hicks (good range, nice arm) looks like batting is getting better. I like Parmalee--great arm--pretty good defense. I don't know if his future is at 1B (depends on Sano being able to play 3rd) or RF but he is a solid player. So that is two long-term contributors.

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 09:43 AM

Thanks, ya, even on the radio they said that Dozier play (and others, and the previous day) were really errors/bad defense.

Good to hear on Hicks, it is so hard to tell on the radio what the range really is. I would really like Parmalee to play every day, so the Twins can get a better feel for his offense. That's the key to me for him.
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Posted 10 June 2013 - 09:47 AM

If Nick, or you, have ideas of what they are, I'm all eyes.


By my eyes, this team hasn't looked worse. I certainly remember a lot more putrid baseball being played last year... At least they have a competent defensive middle-infield (yesterday's gaffes notwithstanding).

But you're right in a lot of ways, too. The pitching is certainly frightful, and unfortunately the one guy they were counting on, Scott Diamond, has always struck me as a lefty Nick Blackburn, and has been performing as such of late.

Edited by Steve Lein, 10 June 2013 - 09:51 AM.

Scouting Report: Power: 30, Hitting: 50, Arm: 60, Defense: 40, Speed: 40. "Line drive swing and shows good contact and on-base abilities. Double's power at his peak. Strong arm from 2B or the OF, stiff hands. Not a fast runner, but above average instincts on the bases. Skinny body doesn't look the part, but can sneak up on you. ACL surgery sapped much of his athleticism." (Probably)


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Posted 10 June 2013 - 10:13 AM

AAA Kyle Gibson
AAA Andrew Albers
who do you drop ?


Scott Diamond and Mike Pelfrey

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 11:05 AM

Kvasnicka activated,Bryan Haar added to FTM roster.

Florida State League Transactions | Fort Myers Miracle Stats

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 11:14 AM

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Sano is clearly the youngest player at NB right now. Listed above are the 6 youngest. Meyer is about 3.3 years older than Sano. I assume many of the other AA teams have similar age distributions. Morales is the 8th youngest, FWIW.

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 11:20 AM

AAA Kyle Gibson
AAA Andrew Albers
who do you drop ?


Pelfrey and Diamond

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 11:24 AM

Scott Diamond and Mike Pelfrey


Not Diamond, or Correia. I could see Correia gone by the trade deadline, if he keeps performing as a 3rd or 4th starter should. Maybe Pelfrey--like Worley. Let's see how Walters and Deduno play out over the next few weeks. Then, bring up Gibbie and/or Albers and send one or both down. Also, can't we shelve Pelfrey if he "agrees" that, "Well.., gee whiz, the Tommy John thing isn't working... Nudge, nudge. Maybe you should shut it down and go on the 60 day DL, Pelf????" Get the hint? ;)