Posted 04 June 2013 - 10:41 PM
Posted 05 June 2013 - 12:06 AM
Posted 05 June 2013 - 04:54 AM
I agree. After reading each profile, I really wanted the guy I just read about, with the exception of the Georgia OFs and McGuire. I hope Appel doesn't fall to the Twins because he isn't worth giving up the rest of the draft. I'm hoping for Gray or Stewart.
Hes worth giving up as much money as he wants. Rarely do you find a pitcher that has a fasball in the mid to upper 90s with 3 other plus pitches. When you think of other pitchers with 4 plus pitches Verlander is the first name to pop into my head. Hes got so much potential its not even funny. If the Twins had a shot at him they better pay up and grab him. He could potentialy be a guy that wins a team 20 games by himself, how many guys in the league are capable of that?
Posted 05 June 2013 - 05:35 AM
Posted 05 June 2013 - 06:28 AM
After reading thru all the reviews I hope the Twins pick Bryant, yes they need pitching but power like that doesn't come along every day. He could be in the middle of the Twins lineup for 15 years while a pitcher, especially a high school pitcher, is more of a crap shoot.
Interesting article in the Sports Illustrated about Meadows and Frazier and Georgia baseball. They even mentioned Buxton a couple of times.
Edited by Blackjack, 05 June 2013 - 07:20 AM.
spelling - does the comment section have a spellchecker??
Posted 05 June 2013 - 07:13 AM
Posted 05 June 2013 - 07:52 AM
So could someone explain why they think Appel will sign for something way over slot? He has so little leverage. I am not saying you low ball the guy but I would not pay over slot and no way I pay over 5% over slot. I just can't see him passing on the money to go play independent ball or wherever. And if he does you still get a high pick the next year, but if you go over you screw the rest of this year's draft (by picking a bunch of guys you can sign below slot) or you miss out on next year's draft by forfeiting a pick. All for a guy with so little leverage! It makes no sense.
Agree. I don't see how Boras can demand over slot money. How does he put himself in a better position by holding out and delaying his big payday another year? If things go well, he could potentially start his arbitration clock in 2014 if he signs and starts playing, plus if you just sign and say all the right things you can make extra $ in endorsements. Or hold out, play indy ball (making nothing, maybe getting hurt) for most of 2013, then and at best be a mid summer callup next year, and get less money in endorsements because nobody likes you.
Is there any example of a player being better off financially from not signing after their senior year? Was JD Drew a senior when he did his holdout? Did he end up better off? Someone write an article looking at college senior holdouts, that would be interesting.
Posted 05 June 2013 - 08:08 AM
Posted 05 June 2013 - 08:08 AM
Posted 05 June 2013 - 08:40 AM
Posted 05 June 2013 - 10:16 AM
If I remember correctly, if he doesn't sign he can play a year of indy ball and be a free agent. There's risk (injury), but I'd imagine if he said he wanted a 10M contract as a FA, he'd get it (or quite more) next year.
Wasn't there a similar case a few years ago of a player trying that, and having it backfire on him? At least back then, once you were drafted, you couldn't be a free agent until after the next draft was held - and if you got drafted again the new team had your rights.
Has that changed with the new CBA?
edit: I found the player I was thinking about - Matt Harrington, who was drafted in 5 consecutive years (2000-2004) but ended up not signing for any of them. He played indy ball and finally, after not being drafted in 2005, he signed a minor league contract with the Cubs in late 2006, only to be released before the 2007 season started.
Edited by IdahoPilgrim, 05 June 2013 - 10:20 AM.
Posted 05 June 2013 - 10:37 AM
If you go to Indy ball, you still are subject to the draft the following year. I believe he would have to go undrafted to become a FA.
Correct. Diehard is wrong on this one. Players used to be able to do that about 15 years ago. That was the 'loop hole' that Boras would exploit before MLB closed it. Now a player has to go back into the draft unless, as you say, he goes undrafted.
Posted 05 June 2013 - 10:38 AM
Posted 05 June 2013 - 11:23 AM
So I see no way picking Appel will "ruin" the rest of the draft. Keep in mind we'd likely have to pay Stewart at least as much as Appel. Stewart has as much leverage as you can possibly have. Stewart comes with way more risk but not much if any more upside, and he won't help the twins until 2016 at the earliest.
If Appel is there at the 4th pick the twins have to take him. Offer him slot value, maybe a tad over. Boras is aggressive, but not stupid.