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#1 gunnarthor

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 10:01 AM

Insider needed: Houston Astros take Colin Moran over Mark Appel in second mock draft of 2013 - MLB Draft - ESPN

Figured it was good enough news to get it's own thread.

One way it makes sense for the Astros could be if they think Manaea could slide into the 2nd round where they could give him 3.5m fairly easily.

#2 mike wants wins

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 10:03 AM

Wow...

#3 BCTwins

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 10:03 AM

For us cheapskates without access...does KLAW have us taking Bryant, then, or one of the college arms?

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 10:05 AM

Stewart over Gray......which confuses me

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 10:06 AM

For us cheapskates without access...does KLAW have us taking Bryant, then, or one of the college arms?


Beats me, don't have insider.

#6 gunnarthor

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 10:07 AM

Stewart over Gray......which confuses me


Wow. I guess its just a hypothetical but if they really happened, I'd be pretty angry.

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 10:08 AM

Stewart over Gray... odd. Similar ceilings with one being a lot closer to the show. Kind of strange.

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 10:10 AM

I think they would take Gray then......but it is possible they would have a shot at Appel....would they pass twice?

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 10:10 AM

They have to be betting on someone sliding to them. Maybe they will try to work a deal out prior to the draft and tell Manaea's agent they will give him a bunch of money. I could see it working out for them.
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Posted 30 May 2013 - 10:18 AM

Given a projected close upside (as I've read) and ease of signing, it seems Gray is a safer choice than Appel.
Cannot imagine Gray falling to #4.

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 10:19 AM

[FONT=Lucida Grande]Keith Law's mock draft 2.0[/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Grande]We're just one week away from the Rule 4 draft, and draft boards are starting to take shape. There will still be some adjustments before Thursday night, and I'll have two more mock drafts between now and then.[/FONT]

[FONT=Lucida Grande]For now, here is my best projection for the top 33 picks in the draft -- the formal first round, plus the six compensatory picks teams received for losing free agents who received qualifying offers this offseason. You'll notice the absence of Indiana State lefty Sean Manaea, who was considered a top-five talent coming into the season. His performance all spring was uneven and he walked off the mound with a hip injury while warming up for his final start a week ago, and no one has a great feel for his status right now. Indiana State's season is over, so scouts won't get another chance to see him before the draft.[/FONT]

[FONT=Lucida Grande](To see my the first mock draft from two weeks ago, click here. For a complete look at my ranking of the top 100 draft prospects, click here.)[/FONT]

[FONT=Lucida Grande]1[/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Grande]Colin Moran[/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Grande]POS: 3B[/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Grande]B/T: R/R[/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Grande]HT: 6-3[/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Grande]WT: 215[/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Grande]School: North Carolina[/FONT]

[FONT=Lucida Grande]Analysis: I don't think the Astros will make a formal decision on this pick until Thursday, but the buzz within the industry has Houston leaning toward this scenario: Houston takes Moran, knowing his next-best alternative is to go No. 5 to Cleveland, whose slot value is $3,787,000. By doing this, the Astros could offer him $4 million or so and know he'd accept it.[/FONT]

[FONT=Lucida Grande]The value of the No. 1 pick is $7.2 million, which means the Astros would then have sufficient savings to take first-round talents who fell at picks 40 and 74, something they've already shopped around to some prep players who aren't going in the top 33.[/FONT]

[FONT=Lucida Grande]They could take Jonathan Gray but won't get as much of a discount if they do. They're not on Kris Bryant or Clint Frazier, and Mark Appel doesn't seem to be one of their top two options.[/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Grande]SCOUTING REPORT | VIDEO Video[/FONT]

[FONT=Lucida Grande]2[/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Grande]Mark Appel[/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Grande]POS: RHP[/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Grande]HT: 6-5[/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Grande]WT: 215[/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Grande]School: Stanford[/FONT]

[FONT=Lucida Grande]Analysis: Appel or Gray. I've heard Theo Epstein loves Gray, but overall the Cubs have a real internal debate between the two options. Without a clear inclination toward either guy, I've assigned them the player I think is better.[/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Grande]SCOUTING REPORT | VIDEO Video[/FONT]

[FONT=Lucida Grande]3[/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Grande]Kris Bryant[/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Grande]POS: 3B/OF[/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Grande]B/T: R/R[/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Grande]HT: 6-5[/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Grande]WT: 215[/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Grande]School: San Diego[/FONT]

[FONT=Lucida Grande]Analysis: They've been linked to Bryant all spring, and the industry discussion has had them on hitters. But would they take Gray if he were here? I can't see Gray falling far, with a floor at No. 6. (No way does Miami scouting director Stan Meek, an Oklahoma native who played at OU, pass on a Sooner as good as Gray.)[/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Grande]SCOUTING REPORT | VIDEO Video[/FONT]

[FONT=Lucida Grande]4[/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Grande]Kohl Stewart[/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Grande]POS: RHP[/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Grande]HT: 6-3[/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Grande]WT: 190[/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Grande]School: St. Pius X (Houston)[/FONT]

[FONT=Lucida Grande]Analysis: This will be Stewart, Gray or Washington prep catcher Reese McGuire on a well below-slot deal.[/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Grande]SCOUTING REPORT | VIDEO Video[/FONT]

[FONT=Lucida Grande]5[/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Grande]Jonathan Gray[/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Grande]POS: RHP[/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Grande]HT: 6-4[/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Grande]WT: 239[/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Grande]School: Oklahoma[/FONT]

[FONT=Lucida Grande]Analysis: I've heard them on Bryant and Moran all spring, and Chris Antonetti flew to Georgia to meet with Clint Frazier earlier this week, but I think they'll take Gray if he falls to them.[/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Grande]SCOUTING REPORT | VIDEO Video[/FONT]

Edited by InfraRen, 30 May 2013 - 10:48 AM.

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#12 InfraRen

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 10:20 AM

[FONT=Lucida Grande]Was unaware of the pay-article posting policies, sorry![/FONT]

Edited by InfraRen, 30 May 2013 - 10:48 AM.

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#13 InfraRen

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 10:21 AM

[FONT=Lucida Grande]Ditto.[/FONT]

Edited by InfraRen, 30 May 2013 - 10:49 AM.

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#14 cmb0252

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 10:22 AM

This is pay information so you can't post it here. Only little bits and pieces.

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 10:24 AM

Indians fans are drooling on their keyboards right now.

I also don't know why the Twins would choose Stewart over Gray if the latter dropped that far.

#16 Rick Niedermann

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 10:29 AM

If Gray drops, ya gotta take him!

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 10:31 AM

Given a projected close upside (as I've read) and ease of signing, it seems Gray is a safer choice than Appel.
Cannot imagine Gray falling to #4.


I have heard the opposite, actually. Appel's mechanics are regarded as flawless and has two plus pitches and two other that are considered above average. Gray has a better fastball and maybe more upside due to that, but definitely not "safer."

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 10:33 AM

I also don't know why the Twins would choose Stewart over Gray if the latter dropped that far.


I've read several scouting reports that Stewart has the highest ceiling of the three Appel/Gray/Stewart he's just further away. Gray is still far enough away that time
to majors is not a factor in helping this team and therefore no factor in picking him.

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 10:55 AM

The one thing I would take from this - the Twins must REALLY like Stewart if Law projects him over Gray. Law is pretty plugged in. Makes me feel even better about our chances of taking him if Big 3 DO go as previously expected.
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Posted 30 May 2013 - 11:01 AM

Indians fans are drooling on their keyboards right now.


Standard operating procedure for them, is it not.

Also:
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Free advice to the Astros, that.