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#1 Nick Nelson

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 10:17 PM

You can view the page at http://twinsdaily.co...urn-With-Deduno

#2 greengoblinrulz

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 11:22 PM

Purely a money move made for Super 2 to save 500K(maybe) in 3 yrs
Twins (terry ryans) cheapness goes out for years....there is a reason they are the worst team in AL the last 3yrs

#3 Ibzakster

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 11:59 PM

RELAX people. The world did not just end. Don't go all Minnesotan on me. Deduno was effective last year and in the WBC. Glad he's here. Just say no to pessimism.

Go Twins!

#4 jokin

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 12:16 AM

Just say no to pessimism.

Go Twins!


OK, but can I at least say "maybe" to skepticism?

#5 Oldgoat_MN

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 06:43 AM

OK, but can I at least say "maybe" to skepticism?


Haha.
I like Deduno coming up. This will at least be something completely different.

Gibson will be along shortly. 'Cheap' and 'wise' are not the same thing, but can sometimes occupy the same space.

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 06:53 AM

Gibson will get Pelfrey's spot

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 06:57 AM

I don't think Ryan is being cheap, I am glad Deduno is getting a shot, he's the anti-Twins starter, wild and with K ability. Gibson's time will come shortly. Pelfrey or Worley will be removed from the rotation.

#8 Mike Sixel

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 07:00 AM

Every inning Gibson pitches in the minors is one less he can pitch at the MLB level this year. If they are both coming up, Gibson should come up first. heck, they should both be coming up right now, and Pelfrey should be gone. He won't bring back anything in trade, and he isn't going to help them win this year. There is absolutely no reason for him to be on the roster now that Deduno and Gibson are healthy, and they have Albers and other AAAA pitchers ready to go if needed. By the time Gibson is shut down, Meyer can come up. Not sure why this is not the plan right now.

I don't know, it is a site to discuss sports, not airline safety.....maybe we should take it less seriously?


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Posted 22 May 2013 - 07:06 AM

It's not the plan simply because Gibson has been very volatile and inconsistent. This is a kid that they expect to be a solid part of the rotation for 5+ years. If he can't string together 3 back to back good starts in AAA yet, who does it possibly help to shove him into a higher pressure situation against exponentially better hitters?

It's not like a couple Gibson starts are all that's standing between the Twinkies and a title.

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 07:10 AM

As opposed to Pelfry and his starts here? Or Deduno and his starts this year or last being consistent? he's going to be 26 this year, there aren't that many pitches left in his arm, frankly. Use them, or lose them. You really expect him to be super effective in 6 years, when he is 31/2? I don't.

I don't know, it is a site to discuss sports, not airline safety.....maybe we should take it less seriously?


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Posted 22 May 2013 - 07:23 AM

I have no idea what Gibson will be like in 6 years. But I want him to be a solid piece next year, and rushing him up here so he can get shelled by Detroit helps no one.

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 07:28 AM

I have no idea what Gibson will be like in 6 years. But I want him to be a solid piece next year, and rushing him up here so he can get shelled by Detroit helps no one.

If you're sure he'd get shelled by Detroit Friday, then there's not much hope he'll be a "solid piece" next year.

#13 Mike Sixel

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 07:30 AM

How is it rushing? If he's healthy at the start of the year, he's already on the roster. he's going to be 26 this year. How is pitching in AAA less impactful to his arm? Or are you suggesting he's not mentally ready?

I don't know, it is a site to discuss sports, not airline safety.....maybe we should take it less seriously?


#14 Brad Swanson

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 07:37 AM

Career K% for the following:

Vance Worley - 18.5%
Sam Deduno - 17%
Kevin Correia - 15.1%
Mike Pelfrey - 12.7%
League Average in 2013 - 20.0%

Deduno is hardly a strikeout pitcher and the only reason he doesn't qualify as a "pitch-to-contact" pitcher is because he walks so many batters.

Edited by Brad Swanson, 22 May 2013 - 07:42 AM.
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Posted 22 May 2013 - 08:23 AM

Every inning Gibson pitches in the minors is one less he can pitch at the MLB level this year. If they are both coming up, Gibson should come up first. heck, they should both be coming up right now, and Pelfrey should be gone. He won't bring back anything in trade, and he isn't going to help them win this year. There is absolutely no reason for him to be on the roster now that Deduno and Gibson are healthy, and they have Albers and other AAAA pitchers ready to go if needed. By the time Gibson is shut down, Meyer can come up. Not sure why this is not the plan right now.

Deduno should be up first. He has been more consistent than Gibson. He had some success last season. He has been dominant in WBC against best hitters in the world. His weakness is that he is not as efficient and he could not pitch deep into the game. Gibson should be the next to be called up if he could be more consistent. Walters and Albers should also get their chance.

Edited by jun, 22 May 2013 - 08:39 AM.


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Posted 22 May 2013 - 08:33 AM

Career K% for the following:

Vance Worley - 18.5%
Sam Deduno - 17%
Kevin Correia - 15.1%
Mike Pelfrey - 12.7%
League Average in 2013 - 20.0%

Deduno is hardly a strikeout pitcher and the only reason he doesn't qualify as a "pitch-to-contact" pitcher is because he walks so many batters.


Career opponents' batting average / slugging:

Worley - .280 / .424
Deduno - .248 / .399
Correia - .273 / .430
Pelfrey - .287 / .419
League average in 2013 - .255 / .413

Deduno may not be a pure strikeout pitcher but he's legitimately tough to hit, and that's been true everywhere -- minors/majors/whatever. He might pitch to contact when he's not issuing walks but he doesn't pitch to hard contact. In contrast to the current suspects, that intrigues me. I also suspect he'll be above his career K-rate this year if he keeps throwing the way he has been.

#17 Brad Swanson

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 08:35 AM

At AAA this season:

Start 1 - 5.1 innings - 4 Ks, 4 BB, 5 hits, 0 ER, 100 pitches
Start 2 - 5.2 innings - 5 Ks, 4 BB, 4 hits, 1 ER, 99 pitches
Start 3 - 6.1 innings - 8 Ks, 2 BB, 5 hits, 4 ER, 93 pitches

He had little to no success last season:

6.5 K/9
6.0 BB/9
4.44 ERA, 1.544 WHIP
15 starts - 79 innings

The WBC was an exhibition and he made three starts, totaling 13 innings.

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#18 ThePuck

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 08:39 AM

WBC may be an exhibition to US, but the other countries are taking it serious, that's for sure.

#19 Brad Swanson

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 08:39 AM

Career opponents' batting average / slugging:

Worley - .280 / .424
Deduno - .248 / .399
Correia - .273 / .430
Pelfrey - .287 / .419
League average in 2013 - .255 / .413

Deduno may not be a pure strikeout pitcher but he's legitimately tough to hit, and that's been true everywhere -- minors/majors/whatever. He might pitch to contact when he's not issuing walks but he doesn't pitch to hard contact. In contrast to the current suspects, that intrigues me. I also suspect he'll be above his career K-rate this year if he keeps throwing the way he has been.


Career innings pitched:

Worley - 322.2
Deduno - 84.2
Correia - 1123.2
Pelfrey - 936.2

I don't really have a problem with anyone being excited for Deduno. The argument that he was a better choice than Gibson doesn't make sense to me. And I do realize that Gibson's hasn't thrown an inning yet. Personally, I'd rather watch Gibson pitch on Friday.

Edited by Brad Swanson, 22 May 2013 - 08:47 AM.
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#20 jun

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 08:45 AM

Gibson will get Pelfrey's spot

Walters should get Worley's spot. Albers should be the 6th starter.