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#1 Seth Stohs

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 12:06 PM

I keep reading various places that Kyle Gibson will be on a 130 inning limit in 2013. I asked this on Twitter, but I'm going to ask it here too. Can anyone show me an article (or a link to an interview) with a quote from Kyle Gibson, Terry Ryan or Rob Antony that says that Kyle Gibson will be limited to 130 innings?

I'm not saying it hasn't happened. Maybe someone can find one. I've just never seen it. Yesterday, Gibson was on Reusse and Mackey and in the interview, he basically said that all he's been told by TR and Gardy was that they weren't going to baby him, for him to just pitch and work, and throughout the season they'll evaluate it.

So, I'm curious where the 130 inning limit that we keep reading comes from.

Someone, prove me wrong...

#2 Shane Wahl

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 12:08 PM

I want to say it was Terry Ryan. I saw it somewhere on this site, I thought. I don't know if it was 130. I thought it might have been 140-150. And honestly, given how things are going, he absolutely should be limited to 150ish.

#3 Mike Sixel

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 12:09 PM

I've never given a number....so I hope that isn't aimed at me. Also, I think they have not stated one way or the other that he is on a limit, not that I can recall anyway. Given their general approach, I just assume he is on some kind of limit. If someone can prove you wrong, I'd be impressed.

I don't know, it is a site to discuss sports, not airline safety.....maybe we should take it less seriously?


#4 Seth Stohs

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 12:10 PM

I would 100% agree that there should be a limit somewhere, and I wouldn't be surprised at all to hear them say that there will be a limit. But I guess I've never really heard anyone come out and say what that limit is.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 12:10 PM

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#6 Shane Wahl

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 12:12 PM

TP beat me to it. 130-140 innings. I was optimistic at 150.

#7 Shane Wahl

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 12:15 PM

The Bollinger article mentions that limit as an expectation. He also mentions that he "could" start out slowly in AAA. Yes, he could have. And damn it, my crazy idea was to go very slow (he would be at about 40 innings now) and to have Andrew Albers be his personal reliever. THE GREAT Andrew Albers, by the way!

#8 Seth Stohs

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 12:15 PM

I've never given a number....so I hope that isn't aimed at me. Also, I think they have not stated one way or the other that he is on a limit, not that I can recall anyway. Given their general approach, I just assume he is on some kind of limit. If someone can prove you wrong, I'd be impressed.


Not aimed at you at all. I just have heard that number spouted a lot in various places and I'm not sure where it comes from.

Liriano's first full year back after his Tommy John surgery (2008), he threw 123.1 innings in the minors and 76.0 innings with the Twins. That's 199.1 innings in his first season back. That's part of why I wonder where 130 came from. Not saying Gibson should come close to 200 innings. I'd put the number around 160 (which is, I think, where the Nationals put Strasburg last year).

Also, they now can track how many pitches someone throws too. Gibson threw 93 pitches in 9 innings in his last start. Yes, it eats more innings from his "limit" than if he throws 114 in 5.2 innings. Maybe it should be based on pitches instead.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 12:20 PM

I'm with Seth, I don't recall a Twins' official giving us a number, I'm not sure I recall one even mentioning there being a limit. It seems like speculation to me.

I don't know, it is a site to discuss sports, not airline safety.....maybe we should take it less seriously?


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Posted 21 May 2013 - 12:23 PM

Not aimed at you at all. I just have heard that number spouted a lot in various places and I'm not sure where it comes from.

Liriano's first full year back after his Tommy John surgery (2008), he threw 123.1 innings in the minors and 76.0 innings with the Twins. That's 199.1 innings in his first season back. That's part of why I wonder where 130 came from. Not saying Gibson should come close to 200 innings. I'd put the number around 160 (which is, I think, where the Nationals put Strasburg last year).

Also, they now can track how many pitches someone throws too. Gibson threw 93 pitches in 9 innings in his last start. Yes, it eats more innings from his "limit" than if he throws 114 in 5.2 innings. Maybe it should be based on pitches instead.


If I am remembering accurately, I believe Kris Medlen's 2012 was the desired model for Gibson's 2013. Although, that did not happen (starting in relief then moving to the rotation). Medlen ended 2012 with 151 innings between AAA and MLB.

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#11 Seth Stohs

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 12:27 PM

People have sent me links to articles where someone speculates 130 innings, but the only quotes from Terry RYan have said, 'there will be a limit, but not a hard limit.' I read that (along with Gibson's comments) as we're going to play it by ear.

The key to that is Gibson being completely honest about how he and his arm feel when it gets to August.

#12 Mike Sixel

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 12:30 PM

So, there is a limit? bummer for this year.....I recall that Seth.

I don't know, it is a site to discuss sports, not airline safety.....maybe we should take it less seriously?


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Posted 21 May 2013 - 12:44 PM

There were similar questions last year about Strasburg and an innings limit -- a lot of people said, there isn't a 160 IP limit, there's no direct quotes from the Nationals about that, they will play it by ear... and then they shut him down at 160.

I think teams and GMs just don't like to disclose this info, for whatever reason, so you're not going to find that form of evidence. But that doesn't mean that hard innings limits aren't there.

It will be interesting to see where Gibson ends up. 160 like Strasburg seems realistic. I think a lot has changed even in the few years since Liriano's surgery -- I doubt they let Gibson keep going beyond 160 this year, regardless of how he feels.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 12:45 PM

Mackey states in this article "Ryan said the Twins will likely limit Gibson's innings to somewhere between 130 and 140 in 2013".

Mackey: How does a 'healthy' Kyle Gibson fit into Twins' 2013 plans? | 1500 ESPN Twin Cities ? Minnesota Sports News & Opinion (Twins, Vikings, Wolves, Wild, Gophers) | Sportswire: Minnesota Twins

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 12:56 PM

The 130-140 Inning limit I've never heard from Terry Ryan. But I do remember Terry Ryan saying last year that they were sending him to the Arizona Fall League to extend him because they were only going to increase his innings by a certain % and that % was in that 130 range.

#16 Shane Wahl

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 01:02 PM

A problem with this is if they keep it at 130, isn't about 165 the "proper" percentage increase for next season? That's why I was hoping for 150ish, to get that closer to 200.

#17 Seth Stohs

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 01:45 PM

Mackey states in this article "Ryan said the Twins will likely limit Gibson's innings to somewhere between 130 and 140 in 2013".

Mackey: How does a 'healthy' Kyle Gibson fit into Twins' 2013 plans? | 1500 ESPN Twin Cities ? Minnesota Sports News & Opinion (Twins, Vikings, Wolves, Wild, Gophers) | Sportswire: Minnesota Twins



That would be the quote we're looking for. Even though it's not in quotes, mackey likely talked to him on air or something to get those numbers.

#18 Mike Sixel

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 01:54 PM

So, 130.....that's why I wanted Gibson up before Deduno.....so he's not burning innings in AAA. He'll have around 57 after his next start.....leaving only 73 for the majors? *

*edited out the rest for my dodo head part....

Edited by mike wants wins, 21 May 2013 - 01:58 PM.

I don't know, it is a site to discuss sports, not airline safety.....maybe we should take it less seriously?


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Posted 21 May 2013 - 02:03 PM

That would be the quote we're looking for. Even though it's not in quotes, mackey likely talked to him on air or something to get those numbers.


So....as Gibson will be approaching 60 IP in Roc. in his next start this weekend....and who knows how many more starts left pitching for the Wings....that only leaves around 10 or so available major league starts for Gibson. He'll be done by mid-August.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 02:04 PM

So, 130.....that's why I wanted Gibson up before Deduno.....so he's not burning innings in AAA. He'll have around 57 after his next start.....leaving only 73 for the majors? *

*edited out the rest for my dodo head part....


Sorry for stepping on your post, unrefreshed thread on my part...