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#1 cmb0252

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 02:14 PM

There has been a ton of great draft discussion on the forums from whom you want the Twins to take to best case scenarios to BPA vs Need. My question for you forum going people is this:

Out of the players the Twins have been linked to at #4, who would disappoint you the most?

Names they have been linked to are:
Gray, Appel, Bryant, Frazier, Stewart, Moran, Manaea, McGuire, and Meadows.

Personally, talent wise McGuire is a step behind everyone else, but if the Twins took him it would be on an under slot deal which you figure they would use on several other players. To me it isn't ideal but depending on who they got later I could be fine with it. The name that would really disappoint me is Moran. I don't think he sticks at 3b, which would mean he plays 1st, where his power won't play. Possible James Loney clone at 4= major disappointment.

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 02:23 PM

If we don't get one of Frazier, Meadows, Stewart, or Bryant I would be disappointed.

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 02:28 PM

It depends on who's left. If Manaea is there, I'd be disappointed if they didn't take him. Ditto Bryant. I figure one or the other will be there. In other words, I'd be disappointed if they took anybody but Meneae or Bryant.
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Posted 20 May 2013 - 02:28 PM

If we don't get one of Frazier, Meadows, Stewart, or Bryant I would be disappointed.


Assuming Appel and Grey are gone of course.

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 02:35 PM

I prefer someone from this list:

Appel, Gray
Stewart, Bryant

though I could live with:
Manaea
Shipley

So, ya, if it is Moran or McGuire, that would really annoy me. A Lot.

What I just typed is probably an opinion, not a fact. I mean, I'm usually right, so you should maybe assume it is or will be a fact soon, but that's up to you. :)


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Posted 20 May 2013 - 02:43 PM

I prefer someone from this list:

Appel, Gray
Stewart, Bryant

though I could live with:
Manaea
Shipley

So, ya, if it is Moran or McGuire, that would really annoy me. A Lot.


This.

#7 cmb0252

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 02:53 PM

I prefer someone from this list:

Appel, Gray
Stewart, Bryant

though I could live with:
Manaea
Shipley

So, ya, if it is Moran or McGuire, that would really annoy me. A Lot.


Where are if they drafted one of the OFers? Below live with and above really annoyed? I ask because I'm pretty high on Frazier but I have started to sour on Meadows. I don't know if I would be disappointed but I wouldn't be happy.

Also, Shipley is a good name to throw out there. While I haven't read the Twins linked to him you know they have scouted him. He is pretty similar to Zimmer last year.

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 02:54 PM

Assuming Appel and Grey are gone of course.


I think Twins fans would burn down Target field if the Twins didn't draft Appel or Gray if they were available. Outside of an injury there is no way they fall to us.

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 02:58 PM

I just want a pitcher, or the best bat in the draft. I think there will be enough pitchers that I'd rather have them than Frazier or Meadows. I just don't see a play there.

heck, if Bryant can stay at 3rd.....you can move Sano to right, and you are set. I will be disspointed, probably really annoyed, if they pick Frazier, and Meadows I want no part of right now.

But, this is all based on what a guy can read on the interwebs......I'm not scout/draft genius.

What I just typed is probably an opinion, not a fact. I mean, I'm usually right, so you should maybe assume it is or will be a fact soon, but that's up to you. :)


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Posted 20 May 2013 - 03:01 PM

Gray, Appel, Bryant, Frazier, Stewart, Moran, Manaea, McGuire, and Meadows.


By itself, I'll be happy with those names except McGuire or Moran. I would NOT be shocked if this board is goin ballistic the day after the first round as the Twins save money on that pick in the hope of padding later picks. I wonder what thy would need to get in later rounds to justify it in our minds.

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 03:06 PM

By itself, I'll be happy with those names except McGuire or Moran. I would NOT be shocked if this board is goin ballistic the day after the first round as the Twins save money on that pick in the hope of padding later picks. I wonder what thy would need to get in later rounds to justify it in our minds.



I am pretty sure some of us* would rip Ryan for being more concerned about budgets than getting elite talent here.

*by some of us, I'm pretty sure I would.

What I just typed is probably an opinion, not a fact. I mean, I'm usually right, so you should maybe assume it is or will be a fact soon, but that's up to you. :)


#12 cmb0252

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 03:09 PM

I just want a pitcher, or the best bat in the draft. I think there will be enough pitchers that I'd rather have them than Frazier or Meadows. I just don't see a play there.

heck, if Bryant can stay at 3rd.....you can move Sano to right, and you are set. I will be disspointed, probably really annoyed, if they pick Frazier, and Meadows I want no part of right now.

But, this is all based on what a guy can read on the interwebs......I'm not scout/draft genius.


Haha, none of us are scout geniuses. If we were we would be working for a team! The way I look at this question isn't as much scout driven as fan driven. There have been plenty of picks that looked great at the time but failed later and visa versa. We won't know for years but you will know personally how you feel after you see/read who they took.

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 03:14 PM

By itself, I'll be happy with those names except McGuire or Moran. I would NOT be shocked if this board is goin ballistic the day after the first round as the Twins save money on that pick in the hope of padding later picks. I wonder what thy would need to get in later rounds to justify it in our minds.


This is also a great question. Matt Garrioch over at minorleagueball posted an article about guys with sign ability issues. Link below:

2013 MLB Draft: Players With Signability Questions - Minor League Ball

Honestly, looking at the list I can't find 2 names to go with McGuire's that gets me too excited. Maybe a McGuire, Serrano, Boldt combo would be ok but that's a lot of HS guys.

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 03:21 PM

My mock:

Appel
Gray
Bryant
Manaea
Who cares

If they pass on Manaea, I will be very put out.
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Posted 20 May 2013 - 03:28 PM

My mock:

Appel
Gray
Bryant
Manaea
Who cares

If they pass on Manaea, I will be very put out.


From what I have read they have been linked to Stewart and Frazier more than anyone not named Gray/Appel/Bryant. Things can change between now and then but you have a very small list!

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 03:30 PM

I think Twins fans would burn down Target field if the Twins didn't draft Appel or Gray if they were available. Outside of an injury there is no way they fall to us.


One possible way. Houston goes underslot and takes someone like Stewart (who makes some sense. Risky guy but young and grows with Correa and they save money) b/c Gray has a few bad outings going into the draft. Cubs take Appel and Rockies remain in love with Bryant. Leaving the Twins with Gray.

Not likely but a possible way, outside of injury.

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 03:38 PM

One possible way. Houston goes underslot and takes someone like Stewart (who makes some sense. Risky guy but young and grows with Correa and they save money) b/c Gray has a few bad outings going into the draft. Cubs take Appel and Rockies remain in love with Bryant. Leaving the Twins with Gray.

Not likely but a possible way, outside of injury.


That's a lot of ifs!

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 03:49 PM

If we draft Meadows or Frazier I'll be extremely disappointed.

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 03:53 PM

If we draft Meadows or Frazier I'll be extremely disappointed.


This, although Frazier's uniqueness has grown on me as of late. Damn YouTube!

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 04:13 PM

Unlike a lot of posters, I am out on Manaea as a top-5 pick. I think both his peripherals and results have been underwhelming this season. So I'd be disappointed if the Twins take him or Meadows (has a great-talent/doesn't-love-the-game guy ever worked out?) I'd also probably be disappointed with the McGuire scenario primarily because I just don't know enough about the prospects outside the first round that they'd presumably spend the saved bonus pool money on.

I am riding the Stewart train if the first three go as expected.

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 04:27 PM

Reese Mcguire would really make me mad.

Bryant, Appel, Gray, Stewart and if Manaea finishes strong would all be good picks. We need pitchers, you cant be an elite team if you dont have a strong roto.

I keep hearing the Twins are gonna take Stewart.

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 04:58 PM

Unlike a lot of posters, I am out on Manaea as a top-5 pick. I think both his peripherals and results have been underwhelming this season. So I'd be disappointed if the Twins take him or Meadows (has a great-talent/doesn't-love-the-game guy ever worked out?) I'd also probably be disappointed with the McGuire scenario primarily because I just don't know enough about the prospects outside the first round that they'd presumably spend the saved bonus pool money on.

I am riding the Stewart train if the first three go as expected.


I'm right there with you. Stewart already has two 65+ grade pitches. How many HS kids can say that?

While I'm leading the anti-Manaea bandwagon I don't know how I feel if the Twins took him. I don't think I would be disappointed but I would want to know what the Twins saw. More I look at his stuff, even the Cape cod level stuff, the less I like him.

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 05:04 PM

I'm right there with you. Stewart already has two 65+ grade pitches. How many HS kids can say that?

While I'm leading the anti-Manaea bandwagon I don't know how I feel if the Twins took him. I don't think I would be disappointed but I would want to know what the Twins saw. More I look at his stuff, even the Cape cod level stuff, the less I like him.


That about sums up what I have been thinking, Stewart has just as much potential if not more than Gray and Appel.

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 10:49 PM

McGuire would be the biggest reach of those 9, I wouldn't be happy at all if the Twins selected him. It would reek of their tight fisted approach of years past, I just don't know how they would sell that to the fanbase.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 02:51 AM

McGuire would be the biggest reach of those 9, I wouldn't be happy at all if the Twins selected him. It would reek of their tight fisted approach of years past, I just don't know how they would sell that to the fanbase.


I am almost 100% sure they wont do that. They have dumped a ton of salary the last couple years (which was all of our good vets like Cuddyer, Kubel, Span....) in order to start rebuilding the team through the draft. They wouldnt scrap 3 seasons if they werent gonna take the best possible players in order to be a good team again. So far they have done that so I dont see them stopping.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 05:38 AM

I am pretty sure some of us* would rip Ryan for being more concerned about budgets than getting elite talent here.

*by some of us, I'm pretty sure I would.

I am pretty sure that some would rip Ryan regardless of what he does. Couldn't resist. Elite talent is hard to come by. Mediocre is easy to find..

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 06:22 AM

My mock:

Appel
Gray
Bryant
Manaea
Who cares

If they pass on Manaea, I will be very put out.


I admit that my draft research has been very limited due to my schedule lately but isn't Manaea throwing 4-5 mph slower than he was last year? Why are so many people still high on him?

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 07:40 AM

I admit that my draft research has been very limited due to my schedule lately but isn't Manaea throwing 4-5 mph slower than he was last year? Why are so many people still high on him?


Yeah, even last week when he was throwing better, I saw twitter reports that he was only 90-91 in the first and down to 88-90 in the second. Still putting up great numbers, but against weak competition.

I think people still look at what he did at the Cape and hope he can recapture that "stuff" with better coaching, even though he never had that kind of velo before or after that summer. With the fourth pick we're in a wierd spot because of the drop off after the big three prospects. Anyone we take will have some risk, whether it's Manaea, Shipley, or a HS player.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 09:09 AM

I will be thrilled if Appel, Gray or Bryant fall to the Twins.

Stewart is my current choice at #4.

I will be waiting in the 'I told you so' section if they pick Manaea. It could work and the Twins need pitching but he hasn't done well this spring and there are red flags all over Manaea currently.

Shipley is growing on me so I could understand this pick.

Meadows doesn't interest me a lot. he's not a standout even in a weak draft class and the Twins have a lot of toolsy OF'ers.

Frazier would not be horrible. He is an OF'er but he has legit power which is a weakness of the farm system.

The Twins better be projecting more power from Moran and he better stay at 3B if picked. not a fan of this pick.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 09:26 AM

I will be thrilled if Appel, Gray or Bryant fall to the Twins.

Stewart is my current choice at #4.

I will be waiting in the 'I told you so' section if they pick Manaea. It could work and the Twins need pitching but he hasn't done well this spring and there are red flags all over Manaea currently.

Shipley is growing on me so I could understand this pick.

Meadows doesn't interest me a lot. he's not a standout even in a weak draft class and the Twins have a lot of toolsy OF'ers.

Frazier would not be horrible. He is an OF'er but he has legit power which is a weakness of the farm system.

The Twins better be projecting more power from Moran and he better stay at 3B if picked. not a fan of this pick.

HS catchers. :banghead:


I agree with most of this although I think the Twins actually have some solid power prospects. Sano, obviously, is the #1 power prospect in baseball right now but Walker and Harrison both have some real pop, too. Arcia, is, at least for a few more weeks, a prospect and he has nice power. And even guys like Rosario and Goodrum look to have some pop for a MIer.

Right now I'd be ok (assuming the first three is Gray, Appel and Bryant) with either Stewart or Shipley.