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#1 cmb0252

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 02:09 PM

To make things more convenient, aka I'm lazy, I'm going to link all the Twins draft threads in one place.

*College*
Mark Appel
http://twinsdaily.co...mark-appel.html

Braden Shipley
http://twinsdaily.co...ity-nevada.html

Jonathan Gray
http://twinsdaily.co...k-jon-gray.html

Sean Manaea
http://twinsdaily.co...ean-manaea.html

Tom Windle
http://twinsdaily.co...tom-windle.html

Chris Anderson
http://twinsdaily.co...s-anderson.html

Ryan Stanek
http://twinsdaily.co...yne-stanek.html

Kris Bryant & Colin Moran
http://twinsdaily.co...ris-bryant.html

Second round college arms
http://twinsdaily.co...llege-arms.html

College Relief Pitchers
http://twinsdaily.co...html#post105447

*High School*
Kohl Stewart
http://twinsdaily.co...hl-stewart.html

Clint Frazier & Austin Meadows
http://twinsdaily.co...in-meadows.html

Second Round HS arms
http://twinsdaily.co...ks-hs-arms.html

*Others*
Jeremy's draft board V.3.0
http://twinsdaily.co...3-0-4-20-a.html

Jeremy's draft board V.2.0
http://twinsdaily.co...2-0-3-13-a.html

Jeremy's draft board V.1.0
http://twinsdaily.co...1-0-2-17-a.html

Draft Pick Values
http://twinsdaily.co...ick-values.html

Draft Developments
http://twinsdaily.co...velopments.html

The Mocks
http://twinsdaily.co...raft-mocks.html

The Boards
http://twinsdaily.co...html#post109259

Jeremy's Personal "Cheeseballs" (Hitters)
http://twinsdaily.co...ls-hitters.html

I will try to update this as users add more content. If I missed anything let me know and I can link it. Hopefully this helps all the draft yuppies like me keep up with everything.

Edited by cmb0252, 09 May 2013 - 10:47 AM.


#2 cmb0252

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 09:56 AM

I had no exact place to put this but I thought it was interesting. Jim Callis answered this during his weekly Ask BA:

[FONT='Courier New']With the NFL draft taking place last week, there was a lot of talk about “true first-rounders.” How many players in the MLB draft this year would you say are “true first-rounders”—guys who would be first-round picks in any year?[/FONT]
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"I’ll draw my line at 24 no-doubt first-rounders. But if I wanted to be slightly more liberal, I easily could find enough to cover all 33 actual first-round selections."

Who did he name? Check out the article below. Even though it is a weak group there is still a ton of talent that has first round talent in any draft.

Rest of the article is here:
Ask BA: The 2013 Draft's "True First-Rounders" - BaseballAmerica.com[/FONT]

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 01:12 PM

From BA's What to expect in the first round: AL.

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[FONT=Helvetica Neue]Top 10-Rd. Picks: 4, 43, 78, 110, 140, 170, 200, 230, 260, 290[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue]Bonus Pool: $8,264,400[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue]Scouting Director: Deron Johnson (sixth year)[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue]Johnson’s First-Round History: Aaron Hicks (14th overall, 2008), Kyle Gibson(22nd overall, 2009), Alex Wimmers (21st overall, 2010), Levi Michael (30th overall, 2011) & Byron Buxton (second overall, 2012)[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue]Johnson’s Top 5-Round Breakdown: 33 picks (17 college pitchers, eight college position players, two high school pitchers & six high school position players)[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue]The industry belief is that the Twins want pitching. But we wrote that last year too, and the team picked high school outfielder Byron Buxton. If the consensus top two talents—righthanders Mark Appel from Stanford or Jonathan Gray from Oklahoma—don’t fall, the Twins could go with Indiana State’s Manaea or Nevada’s Shipley if they want a pitcher. San Diego’s Bryant could also be in the mix.[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue]But would you blame them if they decided to pair Buxton with another tooled-up Georgia high school outfielder like Clint Frazier or Austin Meadows? After all, the Twins’ Georgia scout, Jack Powell, has an impressive track record for finding big league talent. He is the signing scout for Tom Browning, Jose Bautista, Matt Moore, Matt Capps and Jeff Keppinger.[/FONT]

Complete article and break downs of the other 14 AL teams below:
What To Expect In The First Round: American League - BaseballAmerica.com

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 01:42 PM

This thread = Jizzing in my pants.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 03:17 PM

Well done, cmb0252!

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 03:37 PM

This thread = Jizzing in my pants.


Thanks for provoking more or less the negative of that response.

#7 cmb0252

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 03:37 PM

Haha, I'm glad you guys enjoyed it. Makes finding things so much easier AND gives a general place to put nonspecific draft updates.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 10:29 PM

Interesting mention of Powell. I remember when Smith took over, Ryan wanted to concentrate and improve our scouting in the SE, specifically GA. I think his first year being in charge of the SE was when we took Goodrum in the 2nd round. Did we bring Powell to the org just in the last few years?

Edit: I looked it up, we brought Powell in around that time. Twins make changes in scouting department | twinsbaseball.com: Official Info

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 11:10 AM

Interested on people's thoughts on the following:

Assume Buxton was in the draft this year, and nothing of what he's done since he was drafted is taken into consideration (forget everything!), where is he taken? Where would he rank of the three Georgia HS OF that would then be in this draft (Buxton, Frazier, Meadows)

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 11:11 AM

[FONT=book antiqua]Jim Callis is doing a minor league/ draft chat right now and answered a question I had about what the Rockies might do:
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[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] Any idea what Rockies will do with the #3 overall pick in the draft?[/FONT]
Jim Callis:[FONT=Helvetica Neue] I feel very confident saying that Stanford RHP Mark Appel and Oklahoma RHP Jonathan Gray will go 1-2 or 2-1 to the Astros and Cubs. Less confident guessing (and at this points, it's guessing) what the Rockies will do at 3. I had a scouting director tell me yesterday that he thinks one of both of the top HS bats (Clint Frazier, Austin Meadows) might drop to No. 10 or lower. The best college bats (Kris Bryant, Colin Moran) play 3B, not a position of great need for the Rockies (not that you draft for need at No. 3). I'm not sure I like any of the arms at No. 3. So just guessing here, I'll say Bryant, who may wind up in the outfield anyway.

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BaseballAmerica.com: Chat Draft

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 11:36 AM

Where would he rank of the three Georgia HS OF that would then be in this draft (Buxton, Frazier, Meadows)


Everything that I have read put Buxton in another tier from Meadows and Frazier.

Interesting comment from Callis:
I'm kind of interested who is going in the top 10 if one or both of Frazier and Meadows drop to #10 or lower. I think they still go in the top 10 unless teams start grabbing pitchers or something.

locks
Gray/Appel
Bryant

likelys
Manaea
Stewart
Denney

Possibles
Moran
Shipley

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 12:28 PM

Interested on people's thoughts on the following:

Assume Buxton was in the draft this year, and nothing of what he's done since he was drafted is taken into consideration (forget everything!), where is he taken? Where would he rank of the three Georgia HS OF that would then be in this draft (Buxton, Frazier, Meadows)


Jim Callis answered this question last week about Buxton vs the 2013 draft.
[FONT=Helvetica Neue]Who would you rather have: Buxton or the 2013 draft field?[/FONT]
Jim Callis:[FONT=Helvetica Neue] Buxton
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Keith law has also stated he would rather have Buxton over anyone in the 2013 draft, including Appel and Gray who are considered the top two talents this year. Meadows and Frazier are great talents but Buxton is on another level compared to these guys.
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Posted 01 May 2013 - 12:30 PM

  • [FONT=book antiqua]Jim Callis is doing a minor league/ draft chat right now and answered a question I had about what the Rockies might do:
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    [FONT=Helvetica Neue]Max (Minneapolis):[/FONT]
    [FONT=Helvetica Neue] Any idea what Rockies will do with the #3 overall pick in the draft?[/FONT]
Jim Callis:[FONT=Helvetica Neue] I feel very confident saying that Stanford RHP Mark Appel and Oklahoma RHP Jonathan Gray will go 1-2 or 2-1 to the Astros and Cubs. Less confident guessing (and at this points, it's guessing) what the Rockies will do at 3. I had a scouting director tell me yesterday that he thinks one of both of the top HS bats (Clint Frazier, Austin Meadows) might drop to No. 10 or lower. The best college bats (Kris Bryant, Colin Moran) play 3B, not a position of great need for the Rockies (not that you draft for need at No. 3). I'm not sure I like any of the arms at No. 3. So just guessing here, I'll say Bryant, who may wind up in the outfield anyway.

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BaseballAmerica.com: Chat Draft


Haha, I was going to post that answer here but you beat me to it! Great question. Here are two others I found interesting:

If 1-3 are Appel, Gray, Manaea, what do the Twins do? Can't take Bryant since he'd be sent to high A where Sano is playing third. I'm not sure they'd want to take another OF but I don't know if the 4th best pitcher is a better option.
Jim Callis:[FONT=Helvetica Neue] Don’t think Manaea goes No. 3 right now. But if that did happen, I might take Kohl Stewart at No. 4.
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What do you see the Twins doing at 4? College Pitcher, or simply the best player available?
Jim Callis:[FONT=Helvetica Neue] I think they’ll go pitcher, which might be the best player available as well.

Also, Christopher Crawford has a draft chat today at 3 at his website mlbdraftinsider.com. I will try and get those questions/answers up on the appropriate threads once the chat is done. [/FONT]

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 12:55 PM

Right now I think the Twins will take either Shipley or Manaea but it'll be interesting to see how the 3-8 prospects start shaking themselves out.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 01:14 PM

Right now I think the Twins will take either Shipley or Manaea but it'll be interesting to see how the 3-8 prospects start shaking themselves out.


I am going to have to disagree and say Bryant or Stewart. I know the Twins brass doesn't take high school pitchers, but they have broken from their "old ways" the last few years. I think Bryant is going to be an exceptional hitter. Think Prince Fielder behind Miguel Cabrera (Bryant Behind Sano).

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 01:23 PM

I am going to have to disagree and say Bryant or Stewart. I know the Twins brass doesn't take high school pitchers, but they have broken from their "old ways" the last few years. I think Bryant is going to be an exceptional hitter. Think Prince Fielder behind Miguel Cabrera (Bryant Behind Sano).


I like your thinking and wouldn't be opposed to either, BUT ...

If they take Bryant, he'd head to A+ where we already have Sano working at third so one of them would be moved to RF. Bryant might not be worth the #4 pick if he's a RFer. I know you don't draft for need at #4 but I think that would be a tie breaker point against Bryant. Unless they really love that bat, I don't see it happening (and I love Bryant. I would actually be very happy to see us have him).

I could see the Twins taking Stewart - they took Berrios last year - but I think they'd want more of a sure thing at #4 than a HS arm.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 01:42 PM

From Christopher Crawford's chat today regarding the Twins at 4:

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With the lack of top tier pitching prospects in the organization should the Twins only consider a pitcher at #4 or should they go BPA?

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 01:45 PM

Totally agree with you. The number 3 and 4 picks are kind of conundrums. This draft has two great college arms and everybody else. On his podcast a few weeks ago, Law and a guy from Fox Sports talked about tiers. The first tier had Gray and Appel, the second tier is very fluid. I realized after I posted the Bryant vs. Stewart post that Jeremy literally posted the same thing yesterday in another thread. I know I didn't read it so I am going to go ahead and pat myself on the back for having an opinion that one of the great draft analyzers has. (Or I did read it and plagiarized his take)

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 02:06 PM

Not taking Bryant because you don't have a place to play him in the minors is beyond stupid. Maybe you don't think he is a good pick at #4 but at least come up with a good reason.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 02:14 PM

Not taking Bryant because you don't have a place to play him in the minors is beyond stupid. Maybe you don't think he is a good pick at #4 but at least come up with a good reason.


That seemed overly dickish.

Bryant's value as #4 pick is partially dependent on him playing third. If the Twins move him to RF, I'm not sure he's worth the pick (maybe his bat is worth it, his RH bat at TF could be very exciting). I think the Twins will consider that when they are considering the group of players in the tier that they are picking and I suspect that none of the players they are considering will have separated themselves so much that it wouldn't be an issue, thus I think they'll go with a pitcher over Bryant. Not so sure why you got your panties in a wad over that.