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#1 Seth Stohs

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 12:36 AM

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#2 rk83071

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 07:02 AM

Totally agree! Ultimately in the end the Angels most likely will end up with a better record than the Twins this year however with that being said the game is played on the field not in the front office. Even though talent is a large ingredient for success in the long run, there is also something to be said for good old fashion hard work. So far in this very young season last nights game was the Twins best game by far. What makes this game great to me is it will reward you for working hard and playing with a purpose. Twins might not have the best talent but they certainly have been showing up to play with great effort.

#3 John Bonnes

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 07:27 AM

First, it was a great game. There was lots to watch and appreciate.

The much-maligned Joe Vavra....


Have I missed something? Is Vavra being criticized for his third base coaching lately? I've noticed a couple of times where I thought he might have been a little conservative, but I haven't noticed much criticism.

Am I just not following the right (wrong?) people on Twitter? :-)

#4 Seth Stohs

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 07:50 AM

No, I haven't heard much criticism of Vavra at 3B. That was more in reference to those that didn't like him as a hitting coach. he's a good baseball man.

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 10:38 AM

Fantastic article, Seth. Read it through Twins Centric this morning. I often hope people can understand the little things. I think baseball is much more about the tiny details. The little instances and not necessarily just the wins, losses and global being as a sport. Every pitch is a new situation.

Not an element I really care about, but interesting enough for a note on Vavra. I'm not sure if it's luck, aggression or the fact that the Twins have the most speed this season they've had since being in the dome... but Vavra has gotten it right so far at 3B. I think he's a hard working, deeply caring coach. I'm not sure how that transfers to success (especially as a hitting coach) because I'm - we're - not inside the dugout, cage and clubhouse with him.

Generally, I view coaches as how they affect their players. The impressionability. I've seen plenty of coaches not know jack and get through to their players and I've seen plenty of talented, knowledgeable coaches get nowhere with players. Just wonder how often our coaching staff's delivery falls on deafened ears and closed eyes.

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 04:32 PM

Nice article Seth. Good summary of the most enjoyable game to watch thus far. I have to say, I was a little nervous when KC gave up a home run to Bourjos and then later to Harris. Who would have guessed those would be the only runs allowed?

As an aside, we get that you don't like Florimon. Maybe it's just me, but it seems like you take a shot at him every chance you get. It's not like he's been an utter failure thus far. FanGraphs has him at 0.4 WAR thus far. Give the guy a chance.

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 05:21 PM

As an aside, we get that you don't like Florimon. Maybe it's just me, but it seems like you take a shot at him every chance you get. It's not like he's been an utter failure thus far. FanGraphs has him at 0.4 WAR thus far. Give the guy a chance.


I likewise hope for the best, but it will take more than 2 weeks of good results to erase the memories I have from watching him just one game last year in Oakland. Overmatched swings at the plate, a spectacular dive on defense on one play followed by a brain-cramp throw on the next; if he has improved then great, the results in the box score now will hold up in June.

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 05:34 PM

I am enjoying watching Correia pitch. I don't remember seeing him pitch before but he seems to know how to pitch and gets the most out of his stuff. Certainly, his ERA will go up but he seems capable of reproducing last night's performance over and over this season. When he doesn't have his stuff or his control, he will get hammered, but that is kind of the way it is for starters like Correia. What is important is that in a vast majority of his starts he can get deep into games with minimal damage.

I guess I would rather have a Correia than guys like Liriano who tease you with their great stuff but can't get deep into games and largely are less useful than marginal guys guys like Correia who have a clue about pitching. But that is just me. I certainly understand why many people want starters with "Ace-like stuff".

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 09:29 AM

I guess I would rather have a Correia than guys like Liriano who tease you with their great stuff but can't get deep into games and largely are less useful than marginal guys guys like Correia who have a clue about pitching. But that is just me. I certainly understand why many people want starters with "Ace-like stuff".


Up to an age in the mid-twenties, I probably want the Ace-like stuff, in case further progress turns him into an actual ace. Past that point, I think I agree with you.