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#1 Parker Hageman

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:12 PM

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#2 Shane Wahl

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:30 PM

The curve ball called third strike is killing him so far.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:18 AM

I'm torn on Hicks. Just a year ago I was pretty down on him and had doubts about his ability to hit. He put together a nice season last year and boosted his prospect status. This spring in the few AB's I watched him I was pretty impressed with his approach. However, it was Spring Training. So far this season it has gone similar to how I anticipated. He is going to struggle hitting LH. So bad were his splits prior to last year, that I wondered how the Twins are allowing him to keep switch hitting. It might take him a little while to adjust, it is a big jump and contact problems wont help him. IMO, he either couldn't hit balls and drew walks by the inability of minor league pitchers to throw strikes (worst case) or he struck out too often because umps were inconsistent and put him in tough spots (best case). Either way, he is not a .300 hitter and shouldn't be expected to be.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:27 AM

I'm just not convinced he's ever going to be good enough from the left side of the plate. We will all see soon enough.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:37 AM

Agreed, I still think they should have tried to see what happens RH against righties last year.....I don't get why you'd not just try it.

What I just typed is probably an opinion, not a fact. I mean, I'm usually right, so you should maybe assume it is or will be a fact soon, but that's up to you. :)


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:45 AM

He has the defense. The Twins should expect for him to struggle offensively. A season similar to Torii Hunter's 23 year old season should be expected.

Torii Hunter 255/309/380. Those number are in a season where run scoring was greater.

Hunter's OPS+ his first fours seasons were 73,86,102,120.

Will Twin fans be patient enough for Hicks to develop his bat? If he follows the same path, can Twin fans wait until 2015-16 before we see his peak production?

#7 mike wants wins

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:59 AM

I think fans might be patient, IF other players are also being brought on that are showing progress.....but if he and Arcia are it for 2-3 years, I think they won't be patient with him because they will be mad about the rest of the team and take it out on him.....it really matters if the GM and Manager are patient though, not fans.

What I just typed is probably an opinion, not a fact. I mean, I'm usually right, so you should maybe assume it is or will be a fact soon, but that's up to you. :)


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 08:41 AM

It's too early to get overly worked up on the results, though obviously, we could have hoped for better through three games. The Tigers have some real flamethrowers in their rotation AND bullpen, and that's probably why it helped to see a pitch-to-contact guy like Porcello yesterday. He isn't flailing away at balls, and he looks like and analyzes and selects pitches. Anybody who remembers watching Carlos Gomez trying to be Vlad Guerrero in '08 knows that plate discipline isn't something to take for granted.

In terms of the switch hitting thing, I've heard people talk about prospects abandoning switch hitting before, but it's usually prospects who are so terrible, they'll never hit in the bigs anyway. Can anyone think of a legitimate example of a hitter who abandoned switch hitting and actually became a legit MLB hitter? It just strikes me that he's always faced lefties as a righty, so to now expect him to hit left against lefties, and he'll just "figure it out"...yikes.

Defensively - so far so good. Keeping in mind that the glare/shadows in left center for these 3pm games are apparently quite bad, he's looked rangey and smooth. And unlike Revere, he supposedly has a real cannon to work with out there, so I'm not worried about his arm strength. I'm sure he'll make some rookie mistakes here and there, but as long as his defense is good, we can give him a month or two to sort out the hitting.

#9 mike wants wins

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 08:53 AM

What's to figure out? I'm sorry, but the swing is the thing, not the arm of the pitcher. And just because people didn't do it in the past does not mean it should not be done in the future.

I don't think anyone is worried about his defense, if they are, I have no idea why. It's his offense that people have worried about for a couple of years now.

What I just typed is probably an opinion, not a fact. I mean, I'm usually right, so you should maybe assume it is or will be a fact soon, but that's up to you. :)


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:00 AM

In terms of the switch hitting thing, I've heard people talk about prospects abandoning switch hitting before, but it's usually prospects who are so terrible, they'll never hit in the bigs anyway. Can anyone think of a legitimate example of a hitter who abandoned switch hitting and actually became a legit MLB hitter? It just strikes me that he's always faced lefties as a righty, so to now expect him to hit left against lefties, and he'll just "figure it out"...yikes.


Yes. Rich Becker. No google required. And not just legit, but very good. The end.

Also, you've got it backward. Hicksie's a natural right-hander who doesn't hit as well left-handed, aka the majority of his at bats. No matter, that ship has sailed, he's apparently destined to make most of his plate appearances with the lesser, off-hand skill set.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:24 AM

I have not been able to watch all the games. How many SOs have been looking and how many swinging?

For me it is a interesting situation because it really tests you as a educated baseball fan. We all know his history and one year of better performance last year does not change all that. Then he comes in to spring and tears it up and marketing hype starts to happen and I forget about historical data for a moment. That said, we are 3 games into a very long season and that is a really small sample and his strike outs are nothing to freak out about.

I agree that the Torii Hunter rookie numbers would be nice as long as the defense continues and his plate discipline continues to develop. He is a leadoff hitter who needs to do whatever he can to get on base.

StormJH1- please go to the MLB/Twins site and find the footage of Hicks. In ST he made a running catch in deep right center and threw a pea to first base to double up the runner. It was nullified by a balk or an interference call but that does not change the fact that the throw was awesome! It was on a line and shows off the cannon you talked about. We have not seen an arm like that in few years and I psyched for the first attempt he has for a put out at home or third when a runner tags.

I am excited to have him in CF.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:29 AM

People are getting worked up about a lot of things already. It's just too early to make any judgements on our 'improved' pitching or some of our struggling hitting. Let's enjoy the series win, but 3 games doesn't mean anything.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:34 AM

My comments are based on years of minor league history, not three games....

What I just typed is probably an opinion, not a fact. I mean, I'm usually right, so you should maybe assume it is or will be a fact soon, but that's up to you. :)


#14 ThePuck

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:37 AM

My comments are based on years of minor league history, not three games....


My comment was just 'in general'..not to anyone in particular whatsoever...

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:38 AM

Yes. Richard Godhard Becker. No google required. And not just legit, but very good. The end.


Sorry, but I had to fix that for you. Richard Godhard prefers we use his full name.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:40 AM

So the list of AAA skippers who succeeded in the majors consists of a guy who might go to the Hall of Fame and a guy who was on track for it until New York happened to him. Okey dokey, then...

Also, inadvertently a nice update on the team control 'debate', as if there were one. Other than Babe Hicks and Baby Jesus, you have to go back to the last millennium to find a Twins minor leaguer starting the season in the bigs.

Aaron Hicks will probably have a nice career in the majors, and I really hope he does. By all accounts I've heard he's a good guy and a hard worker. And anyone wringing their hands over 14 plate appearances should find a thread exclusively devoted to wins, saves, batting average and RBI's.

That said, anointing Hicksie the opening day center fielder last year, when the Twins opted not to pursue an alternative, was the stupidest move they made for the 2013 season. And yes, despite Cy Correia's debut gem, his contract still makes my eyes bleed, but Hicks... well, what's the opposite of "Free [Slama]"?

Good God. They should have let the kid finish getting ready in triple A. It's this whole other league, where the purpose is to learn(!), not win meaningless games. Our 90 loss season will wait.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:43 AM

Sorry, but I had to fix that for you. Richard Godhard prefers we use his full name.


My bad. Thanks for the roadside repair. One of my bucket list items is to chase fires in Fort Myers until I get to meet RGB. Like many artists, he was not fully appreciated until after his time.

#18 Aaron Cross

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 12:07 PM

I'm more than happy to ride it out with this kid if he struggles this year. We're rebuilding. I became weary of Span's shenanigans. He was always hurt, and a slow healer on top of it. Then he chickened out on the MRI and I pretty much was ready to move on from him. I thought his outfield defense was overrated too. Now counting down 3-2-1 until someone throws a defensive statistic at me to prove how good he was..............

#19 mike wants wins

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 12:55 PM

here is one person's thoughts on Hicks and SH.....

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Hicks is still a prospect. This was the fourth? consecutive year he was ranked in the top-100. I did notice he was much better from the right side than left which is tough considering he'll face more RHP. In the end, if he's a .750 OPS guy from the left side and .825 from the right, the combined results are still good. If you have Hicks face right-vs.-right, there's no guarantee of improvement given the way balls move and break.[/TD]
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What I just typed is probably an opinion, not a fact. I mean, I'm usually right, so you should maybe assume it is or will be a fact soon, but that's up to you. :)


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 12:57 PM

Good God. They should have let the kid finish getting ready in triple A. It's this whole other league, where the purpose is to learn(!), not win meaningless games. Our 90 loss season will wait.


This is the tact that would have made sense I think. But, since we're at this point, the Twins are going to have to let it ride, at least for awhile.

The biggest issue with Hicks will be if these Ks are for real and how well he'll adjust, and, hopefully, avoid them. He struck out a lot in the minors especially considering the numbers were from A and AA, and that's my biggest concern for him being in the majors because it would be a victory if those numbers don't increase and astounding if they actually decreased.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 01:38 PM

Yes, Hicks is proving to be over matched by all pitchers at the plate. I fear watching a whole bunch of K's, both looking and swinging. If that continues, it will be interesting to see how long and how long he leads off.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 03:21 PM

What do you guys think, is it too late to convert Hicks back into a pitcher? Bobby Cuellar could learn him the changeup and Anne Sullivan the cutter. Give it six months and they'll have the kid inducing so many weak popups it'll give us all feverish flashback nightmares of the Nick Punto era.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:09 PM

What do you guys think, is it too late to convert Hicks back into a pitcher? Bobby Cuellar could learn him the changeup and Anne Sullivan the cutter. Give it six months and they'll have the kid inducing so many weak popups it'll give us all feverish flashback nightmares of the Nick Punto era.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:03 PM

Watching Hicks misjudge Adam Jones' first drive to center today..... not even take a stab at it... was pretty depressing after hearing so much talk about his great fielding. And then, not that he had much chance of throwing the runner out at home, but double clutching and taking the extra step is never going to help.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:30 PM

Good God. They should have let the kid finish getting ready in triple A. It's this whole other league, where the purpose is to learn(!), not win meaningless games. Our 90 loss season will wait.


He's 23 years old now, definitely old enough. I was on the other side with Brian Dozier last year, but Hicks is actually talented. Let him play now.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:37 PM

What do you guys think, is it too late to convert Hicks back into a pitcher? Bobby Cuellar could learn him the changeup and Anne Sullivan the cutter. Give it six months and they'll have the kid inducing so many weak popups it'll give us all feverish flashback nightmares of the Nick Punto era.


Can you imagine a bullpen of Hicks and Plouffe? I know there is at least one former poster that thinks Plouffe should be in the bullpen.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:42 PM

Can you imagine a bullpen of Hicks and Plouffe? I know there is at least one former poster that thinks Plouffe should be in the bullpen.

I think it will be between them two for the first position player to pitch.... Man I hope that game happens.
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:56 PM

Not when you have a shutdown arm in Butera on the roster. C'mon everyone knows that it will happen.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 12:40 PM

My bad. Thanks for the roadside repair. One of my bucket list items is to chase fires in Fort Myers until I get to meet RGB. Like many artists, he was not fully appreciated until after his time.


Learn in AAA? You mean like Hendriks and Slama? and oh so many failures that the Twins have recycled between Rochester and Minneapolis? AAA isn't for learning--it's a wasteland for failures, and is sometimes used to show AA players on there way to "the bigs" that they had better not fail or they will be back in this wasteland.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 01:30 PM

Learn in AAA? You mean like Hendriks and Slama? and oh so many failures that the Twins have recycled between Rochester and Minneapolis? AAA isn't for learning--it's a wasteland for failures, and is sometimes used to show AA players on there way to "the bigs" that they had better not fail or they will be back in this wasteland.

Walk me through that list of twins hitters in the past 20 years who had a good season after coming straight up from AA...

Edited by LaBombo, 06 April 2013 - 02:28 PM.