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#21 TheKace

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 11:01 AM

Ugh. I am so bent at Android/Google right now. Apple's method of telling the browser its display specs is so freakin' superior to Android.

I'm coming to the conclusion that there is no way to differentiate an Android phone from a tablet. What a cluster****. Fail, Google. Big, fat, FAIL.


Just download Dolphin Browser. You can set your User Agent to whatever you'd like for webpage rendering. You can even customize individual pages to individual User Agents. The advantage you'll always have using Android is being able to customize the user experience to something that you want. Sometimes it just takes a little work which can be cumbersome to some.

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Edited by TheKace, 01 April 2013 - 12:46 PM.
Was being too snarky


#22 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 11:04 AM

Wrong.

Just download Dolphin Browser. You can set your User Agent to whatever you'd like for webpage rendering. You can even customize individual pages to individual User Agents. The advantage you'll always have using Android is being able to customize the user experience to something that you want. Sometimes it just takes a little work which can be cumbersome to some.

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You realize that I'm saying this as a developer and not an end-user, right? I know plenty of ways to circumvent this problem on a single device but as a developer, I need to find solutions that work under as many environments as possible.

Asking users to download a third party browser has no bearing on this problem, really. The vast majority of users will use whatever browser comes with the phone by default (one of my biggest annoyances with Android... First, they didn't release Chrome for the OS for years and then when they did, some developers ignored it and continued to use their own in-house browser).

Android is super-customizable but it's also a friggin' mess from a development standpoint. Most users still don't even run a version of the OS that supports Chrome, despite the fact that Android started bundling Chrome with Ice Cream Sandwich, which released in October of 2011.

I love some of the stuff Google is doing with Android but as a developer, I'll take Apple's system 105% of the time over Android. It's becoming a complete nightmare to sort device/display issues when tablets are running 1280 resolutions and phones are running 1920 resolutions and some of the manufacturers are doing a lousy job of staying standards-compliant. Allowing manufacturers to make your operating system a free-for-all is good for innovation but it also allows some really bad decisions to be made in place of logical, standards-compliant decisions.

#23 TheKace

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 11:06 AM

You realize that I'm saying this as a developer and not an end-user, right? I know plenty of ways to circumvent this problem but as a developer, I need to find solutions that work under as many environments as possible.

Asking users to download a third party browser has no bearing on this problem, really.



My bad, I did not know that.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 11:23 AM

Ubuntu will fix all that for you Brock, just wait......:th_alc:

I don't know, it is a site to discuss sports, not airline safety.....maybe we should take it less seriously?


#25 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 11:26 AM

Ubuntu will fix all that for you Brock, just wait......:th_alc:


Don't even get me started on Linux. Fantastic server OS but I have absolutely zero use for it past that point (excepting the *nix-based OSes OSX, iOS, Android).

#26 TheKace

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 12:31 PM

You realize that I'm saying this as a developer and not an end-user, right? I know plenty of ways to circumvent this problem on a single device but as a developer, I need to find solutions that work under as many environments as possible.

Asking users to download a third party browser has no bearing on this problem, really. The vast majority of users will use whatever browser comes with the phone by default (one of my biggest annoyances with Android... First, they didn't release Chrome for the OS for years and then when they did, some developers ignored it and continued to use their own in-house browser).

Android is super-customizable but it's also a friggin' mess from a development standpoint. Most users still don't even run a version of the OS that supports Chrome, despite the fact that Android started bundling Chrome with Ice Cream Sandwich, which released in October of 2011.

I love some of the stuff Google is doing with Android but as a developer, I'll take Apple's system 105% of the time over Android. It's becoming a complete nightmare to sort device/display issues when tablets are running 1280 resolutions and phones are running 1920 resolutions and some of the manufacturers are doing a lousy job of staying standards-compliant. Allowing manufacturers to make your operating system a free-for-all is good for innovation but it also allows some really bad decisions to be made in place of logical, standards-compliant decisions.


I appreciate the insight. And to help your project, here's what my phone (Nexus 4) looks like on default using Chrome:

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#27 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 12:38 PM

Excellent, thanks. That's the mobile browser. This issue seems to be rare enough that I don't think I'll need to take action on it for awhile.... At least until 1080p Android phones become more commonplace.

#28 TheKace

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 12:47 PM

Excellent, thanks. That's the mobile browser. This issue seems to be rare enough that I don't think I'll need to take action on it for awhile.... At least until 1080p Android phones become more commonplace.


As a developer, what's your opinion on Blackberry 10 and Windows Phone 8?

#29 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 01:04 PM

As a developer, what's your opinion on Blackberry 10 and Windows Phone 8?


I haven't toyed with either long enough to form a salient opinion.

I really love the UI on Windows 8 phones, though. For my money, Microsoft has the best UIX in the business (as odd as that is to say). i heart Metro.

BlackBerry is dying. They've bungled every opportunity they've had and should have dropped their OS entirely and moved to Android (or, better yet, they should have actively pursued an acquisition by Microsoft to hold on to their enterprise market). At least at that point, they'd regain developer support but with their ever-dwindling marketshare (now somewhere south of 5%), no developer has a real reason to dedicate valuable resources to the (all new again) platform.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 08:26 PM

I just tried TD on my old HTC G2. It pulled up the mobile skin as well. This one running the stock browser on Android 2.3.4 (ginger bread).

You can come up with statistics to prove anything. Forty percent of all people know that.


#31 Mike Sixel

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:50 AM

Still getting that error on the iPad when I first go here on Chrome. I'll try to take a picture and post it this weekend.....

I don't know, it is a site to discuss sports, not airline safety.....maybe we should take it less seriously?


#32 TheKace

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 10:10 AM

Thanks. I'm going to have to buy an Android tablet just for code-checking... I'll probably wait for the new Nexus 7 tablet, which will probably be announced at Google I/O in mid-May.


Here's TD on the current Nexus 7:

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#33 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 12:26 PM

Here's TD on the current Nexus 7:

[ATTACH=CONFIG]3676[/ATTACH]


So you're getting the mobile skin on the Nexus 7.

/facepalm

I'm not really sure how I'm going to do this without a complete redesign... I'll have to think about this long and hard.

#34 Badsmerf

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 02:04 PM

Mobile skin on the S3 for me. Never has loaded the full version.
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#35 wabene

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 08:50 AM

I am getting the mobile skin on my Nexus 7. Also in the series preview posts I can't read the stats fully.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:04 AM

Could there be tiny "Standard" and "Mobile" links at the top of the site to override the default skin and also set a cookie to remember the user's preference? Don't know the details of the site's software, and I don't have a tablet so it hasn't been an issue for me, but perhaps that way a user could easily circumvent default skinning if they wanted to.

#37 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:27 AM

Could there be tiny "Standard" and "Mobile" links at the top of the site to override the default skin and also set a cookie to remember the user's preference? Don't know the details of the site's software, and I don't have a tablet so it hasn't been an issue for me, but perhaps that way a user could easily circumvent default skinning if they wanted to.


Why, thank you for asking such an appropriate question.

There is such a feature!

At the bottom of every page, there will be an option available to every user.

- If you're on mobile, it should say something like "Use Full Site/Skin" or something like that.

- If you're on desktop, there should be a dropdown menu on the bottom left of the page. Choose "Twins Daily Mobile" to switch to the mobile skin.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:34 AM

At the bottom of every page, there will be an option available to every user.



I don't know if this is browser related or what, but that dropdown box on XP/Firefox starts out with an empty field. If you don't click on it you'd never know what purpose it serves. If it's coming up blank on other people's display they may never realize that the style can get changed.

#39 spycake

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:55 AM

Brock: nice feature! Thanks for anticipating my suggestion! Although like snepp, I too see the blank selection by default -- but only when I'm logged in (which I usually am). If I look at the site in a new browser, not logged in, I see "Twins Daily 3.0" as the default.

Although it's probably more important to switch the other way, and I do indeed see the "Full Site" link at the bottom of the mobile pages.

#40 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 04:05 PM

Huh. That's interesting. I'll look into it. To answer off the cuff, I'd speculate that it has something to do with me deleting old themes and your accounts being older than the theme change. Dunno, have to look into it.