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#21 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 04:18 PM

Yeah its tough to shake an actors' face and voice once you've seen it. The actress who plays Cersei especially, she just does not deliver with nearly as much venom or impact as I'd imagined her. Nothing worse than a weak villain IMHO.


I think Lena Headey is awesome in the role. She has a restrained coldness that I think fits the character nicely.

After all, the character isn't necessarily evil, only self-serving.

#22 TheLeviathan

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 04:23 PM

Yeah, I love how Cersei is portrayed. I think sometimes it's too easy to make a character campy or too over the top, her cold indifference is really well acted.

As for last night, the slow build to that gutting of the moral core of the show was brilliantly done.

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 07:30 PM

The Starks seem so gun-ho through the entire affair, that they didn't even consider betrayal; I kept waiting for it, yes, until the point that I no longer thought it would happen. What was surprising was the casual brutality of the Freys.

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#24 TheLeviathan

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 07:58 PM

I was more surprised by the casual brutality of Bolton. He's been presented, thus far, as a mostly loyal, ho-hum character. I mean, he let Jaime go secretly and that was a bit alarming, but he's hardly been portrayed as a ruthless turncoat waiting to happen. Frey has always been shown, at least to some degree, as a tentative/undesirable alliance.

I read in a review that the salt and bread thing was highlighted early in the episode because that was an ancient Westeros tradition meant to ensure safety against betrayl. So not only did Bolton and Frey betray them, they basically took a big steaming dump all over some very engrained traditions in doing so. I love the nuance and the brutality of it even more on the second viewing.

#25 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 08:31 PM

Yep, the books mention the bread and salt thing a few times.

#26 Mike Sixel

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 08:03 AM

The interwebs are apparently a mess over the Red Wedding. For me, that is one of the high points of the books. Everything leading up to it is so well written. Maybe I'm nostalgic or something, but I really love this whole section of the books in and around Book 3.

I don't know, it is a site to discuss sports, not airline safety.....maybe we should take it less seriously?


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Posted 31 August 2013 - 12:02 PM

I was more surprised by the casual brutality of Bolton. He's been presented, thus far, as a mostly loyal, ho-hum character. I mean, he let Jaime go secretly and that was a bit alarming, but he's hardly been portrayed as a ruthless turncoat waiting to happen. Frey has always been shown, at least to some degree, as a tentative/undesirable alliance.

I read in a review that the salt and bread thing was highlighted early in the episode because that was an ancient Westeros tradition meant to ensure safety against betrayl. So not only did Bolton and Frey betray them, they basically took a big steaming dump all over some very engrained traditions in doing so. I love the nuance and the brutality of it even more on the second viewing.


I know this thread is a bit old, but when a house takes people under their care and protection in their own house and then to betray that oath with murder is one of the most grave sins you can commit in the Game of Thrones universe. The North does not forget.

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 02:49 PM

My god has Season 4 been well done. We're not even at the usual penultimate episode (typically the best) and I've been utterly shaken by a few of the recent episodes.

Really fantastic stuff.

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 03:50 PM

yeah, I missed last night's episode, but I know it's good when my wife texts me saying it was gruesome...

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 03:53 PM

Gruesome is an understatement. And that says nothing of the 55 minutes before that scene that were equally as captivating.

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Posted 03 June 2014 - 05:50 AM

The Starks seem so gun-ho through the entire affair, that they didn't even consider betrayal; I kept waiting for it, yes, until the point that I no longer thought it would happen.


An old post but I just saw it.

The Starks are idiots. It's one of my bigger problems with the books. The only characters you genuinely like (barring Sansa) continually put themselves in jeopardy and end up dead.

Realistic? Maybe. Enjoyable? Not after 4,500 pages of flogging that horse. It was a great set-up in Game of Thrones but by the fourth book, it starts to wear thin and breaks reader trust.

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Posted 08 June 2014 - 08:01 PM

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Posted 09 June 2014 - 11:34 AM

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Posted 13 June 2014 - 06:57 PM

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 01:33 AM

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 04:50 AM

An old post but I just saw it.

The Starks are idiots. It's one of my bigger problems with the books. The only characters you genuinely like (barring Sansa) continually put themselves in jeopardy and end up dead.

Realistic? Maybe. Enjoyable? Not after 4,500 pages of flogging that horse. It was a great set-up in Game of Thrones but by the fourth book, it starts to wear thin and breaks reader trust.


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To be serious though, most books rely on the foil characters to make these sort of mistakes. It's a bit refreshing to see the heroes have this flaw for a change.

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Posted 16 June 2014 - 06:42 AM

Season was pretty meh overall. They have done a crappy job developing stannis, snow and Dany and her stupid dragons into interesting characters.

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Posted 16 June 2014 - 06:54 AM

Season was pretty meh overall. They have done a crappy job developing stannis, snow and Dany and her stupid dragons into interesting characters.


And I thought it was by far the most packed and riveting season yet. To each their own.

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Posted 16 June 2014 - 07:41 AM

Season was pretty meh overall. They have done a crappy job developing stannis, snow and Dany and her stupid dragons into interesting characters.


I haven't watched the latest season yet but Dani turns into a pretty lame character in the books as well. She's great up to the time she frees the slaves but then turns whiny and boring afterward.

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Posted 16 June 2014 - 08:47 AM

I haven't watched the latest season yet but Dani turns into a pretty lame character in the books as well. She's great up to the time she frees the slaves but then turns whiny and boring afterward.


Towards the end of the last book, things pick up with her.

That said, it will be interesting to see how they go forward with the next season. Season 4 jumped into both books 4 and 5 while they've been saying that this really wraps up with book 3. I'd imagine they have one good season left before they run out of material (as book 6 and 7 aren't out yet).


Definitely thought this was one of the better seasons yet. Really enjoyed it.