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#21 ScottyB

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 01:48 PM

Also found it interesting the Willingham played in left today!

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 01:56 PM

I found it interesting that at the end of the game Towles was put in at 3rd base. Could this possibly be an effort to add more flexibility to the bench? He did successfully make a play in the 9th. I think somebody somewhere wants this guy to make the team. With Doyle gone and Zumaya either on the 60 day or cut, this leaves 2 spots open on the 40-man. Room for Burroughs & Towles perhaps?


That was a gameday error. I watched the game on YES and Towles replaced Butera at C. Hollimon replaced Burroughs at 3B for the duration of the game.
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Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:20 PM

You can take Butera off the 40 man quite easily and replace him with Towles or Rivera. There's no reason to have a 3rd catcher to prevent a pitcher hitting when the 3rd catcher is actually worse than the average pitcher. I do think Parmalee is headed north, so I wouldn't be surprised if he gets the spot in place of a 3rd catcher.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 07:45 PM

How can we discount Hollimon's record in the minors based on a handful of spring at bats that have no meaning? His career AAA slash line is 222/320/426. His AA slash line is 252/342/439. He has over 1600 plate appearances at those levels. His OPS in the independent league was .774 and the team OPS was .805. I don't see significant speed in his minors data. There is question about his ability to play SS. What would he possibly add to the bench? Florimon would add defense. Burroughs a left handed bat.

#25 Seth Stohs

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 07:58 PM

How can we discount Hollimon's record in the minors based on a handful of spring at bats that have no meaning?


We shouldn't! Like I've said, I like the story, and I"m no fan of Burroughs and Hollimon does have more power than him... Neither is graet defensively, and we are talking about the 25th man on the bench. You have to go with defense/speed (which could be Florimon) or power (which would be Hollimon)... but I think it most likely would be Burroughs because h'es probably the best overall hitter of the group.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 08:42 PM

You don't have to be a stat guy to determine if Manship should make the roster. Just watch him pitch! He should not be on the final roster, period.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 09:00 PM

You don't have to be a stat guy to determine if Manship should make the roster. Just watch him pitch! He should not be on the final roster, period.


I don't know what that means? Not tall enough? The slider isn't sharp enough? Too stocky? He's been dominant all spring. When healthy, he was a solid pitcher all the way up. He got the win in a pretty huge final weekend game two seasons ago for the Twins to send them to the playoffs. Not sure what you're saying here by "just watch him pitch." I have. A lot!

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 02:39 AM

Jarred Burton will make this ball club. He has been a solid and established setup man in the past. How many of the other candidates have that on their resume? The best pitchers will fill out the bullpen, regardless if they are on the 40 man roster or not.

Edited by Highabove, 24 March 2012 - 05:29 AM.


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Posted 24 March 2012 - 07:12 AM

The Twins obviously need to break camp with three catchers until they see how durable Mauer will be this year and find out if they can live with Doumit's skills behind the dish. The question becomes who is the third catcher? There are no decent options and neither Butera nor Rivera provide any pop off the bench. It's okay to have a third catcher as long as they play SPARINGLY. Late innings defensive replacement and catch about one out of every 10 games would be acceptable.

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 07:33 AM

The 3rd catcher thing is ridiculous!!!! We have 2 catchers on the roster, so the 3rd should only be needed in an emergency. If we have an emergency use Willingham for a couple of innings and call someone up the next day. No need to carry the 3rd catcher with you up north. Problem solved!!!!!

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 07:34 AM

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#32 mnfireman

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 07:35 AM

Those are Manship's career starter/reliever splits. Obviously the columns shifted to the right, but you see he is the same pitcher in either role.

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 01:58 PM

As they build the bench, they need to look for a some plus skill that the player can contribute. Florimon (+ defense, speed?). Burroughs (left handed bat). Butera, Towles, Rivera (they can play C) Hollimon (don't see one. Based on career, he shouldn't be used to pinch hit or as a defensive sub) As for the bullpen. We need a mix of lefties and righties. We need a few with rubber arms that can pitch back to back days. We need a guy who can come in and get a strikeout. We need a couple guys that can pitch 2-3 innings. We need a guy who can give us a spot start. Where do Manship, Fien, Waldrop, Burnett or Burton fit in? What skills do they bring to the pen? What roles can they fill? Lets look at the skills. I hope the Twins are looking at skills as the build the roster. I hope the Twins are ignoring the spring statistics. It has no predictive value. None. Zero. The data is useless. Let's ignore it.

#34 Andrew Bryz-Gornia

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 08:31 AM

Hollimon (don't see one. Based on career, he shouldn't be used to pinch hit or as a defensive sub)


Hollimon has some power and he walks quite a bit. Unfortunately, that's come with high strikeouts and low batting averages.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 09:23 AM

Carrying a 3rd catcher on the roster is just a waste. It eats up a bench bat that would be used more often than the possibility of needing the 3rd catcher to prevent a pitcher from having to hit (which is a moot point since Butera, Towles and Rivera don't hit much better than a pitcher would anyway). Also Doumit's defense hasn't proven to be too much of a liability in the limited exposure hes had so far this spring. Just say no to Gardy's nooky-blankey third catcher crapola.