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#21 nicksaviking

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Posted 05 April 2021 - 11:30 AM

 

You are wrong. They were absolutely correlated.The twins had a few spots open and decided to leave them open for "flexibility" to take guys like Garlick.The right comparison will always be do we keep our prospects or do we want guys like Garlick?

 

Sorry, but you are wrong. The Twins 40-man was full and they had to DFA Brandon Waddell when they added Garlick. Waddell was claimed off of waivers October 30th but the Twins didn't have to make their 40 man call pertaining to the Rule V Draft until November 20th.

 

Garlick, nor Waddell nor any of the other waiver claims had anything to do with the Baddoo decision.

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Posted 05 April 2021 - 01:14 PM

 

Or, Luke Hughes

I know this is off topic but I saw Hughes hit a massive home run out of Trenton Thunder's stadium. It cleared left-center field which is actually huge billboards. The HR line is about 10 feet high but this cleared the boards. 

 

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Posted 05 April 2021 - 03:58 PM

 

Sorry, but you are wrong. The Twins 40-man was full and they had to DFA Brandon Waddell when they added Garlick. Waddell was claimed off of waivers October 30th but the Twins didn't have to make their 40 man call pertaining to the Rule V Draft until November 20th.

 

Garlick, nor Waddell nor any of the other waiver claims had anything to do with the Baddoo decision.

 

He is just saying and I agree with him that the Twins had room to carry to Baddoo during rule V.If the reason for not adding him was they would need to carry 7 outfielders on the 40 man it doesn't make sense because they added Garlick on a waiver claim and now have 7 outfielder's on the 40 man.If they had kept Baddoo then they likely wouldn't have had room to claim Garlick but they would still have 7 outfielder's on the 40 man and Baddoo.That is the difference.Would you have rather had Baddoo protected or Garlick on a waiver claim?The Twins ended up with Garlick. The Tigers with Baddoo because he was not protected.

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Posted 05 April 2021 - 04:31 PM

I think everyone makes a good point. He was very much blocked from the majors on the Twins AND the Twins could have found a way to keep him on the 40 man if they really wanted to.

 

I think if you had a nice private conversation over a glass of good scotch with the FO, they would tell you that they thought there was a very small chance he would get selected due to his experience level... AND that they were surprised and disappointed that he was taken!

 

It happens....

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Posted 05 April 2021 - 05:04 PM

A lot of missing the point here, though. The Twins...as a major contender in 2021...were NOT going to put themselves in a position to rely on someone with Baddoo’s experience (lack thereof) in a pennant race or the postseason. Same with Celestino.

 

They went and got some corner backup with more of a track record...and, in the end, were left with a choice of protecting only one of their higher-upside guys, Celestino or Baddoo. The price of being a club expected to compete for a championship. They chose Celestino. A classic example of keeping the toolsier player in lieu of the one who seemed a bit ahead on the hit tool.

 

It was Celestino or Baddoo...they weren’t going to roster both in 2021. Completely defendable decision, IMO. Now, might it turn out that they chose the wrong guy? Of course it could.

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Posted 05 April 2021 - 05:12 PM

 

A lot of missing the point here, though. The Twins...as a major contender in 2021...were NOT going to put themselves in a position to rely on someone with Baddoo’s experience (lack thereof) in a pennant race or the postseason. Same with Celestino.

 

They went and got some corner backup with more of a track record...and, in the end, were left with a choice of protecting only one of their higher-upside guys, Celestino or Baddoo. The price of being a club expected to compete for a championship. They chose Celestino. A classic example of keeping the toolsier player in lieu of the one who seemed a bit ahead on the hit tool.

 

It was Celestino or Baddoo...they weren’t going to roster both in 2021. Completely defendable decision, IMO. Now, might it turn out that they chose the wrong guy? Of course it could.

If only we had a reliable crystal ball! :)

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Posted 05 April 2021 - 05:30 PM

Teams that expect to contend for the division and are trying to make a deep postseason run don’t fill their 40-man with players like Baddoo.

I wish him the best and hope he has a nice career but I’m not going to think too hard about the “loss”, nor am I going to make any declarations over a single home run. Nor should anyone else, frankly. It’s a nice couple of game stretch, good for him, let’s check back on this in a month.
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Posted 05 April 2021 - 06:35 PM

Even if he has a mediocre major league career this is one hell of a great memory for him to have for the rest of his life.

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Posted 05 April 2021 - 06:46 PM

 

Sorry, but you are wrong. The Twins 40-man was full and they had to DFA Brandon Waddell when they added Garlick. Waddell was claimed off of waivers October 30th but the Twins didn't have to make their 40 man call pertaining to the Rule V Draft until November 20th.

 

Garlick, nor Waddell nor any of the other waiver claims had anything to do with the Baddoo decision.

I'm sorry, but you are wrong.When the Twins protected players from the Rule V draft, they finished with 37 players protected from the draft.They easily could have added a few more but chose not to


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Posted 05 April 2021 - 06:47 PM

I get that keeping Badoo with a loaded system is tough but this guy is looking like the kind of transcendent OF with speed who you make room for. He looks exactly like what every best case scenario prospect write up teased us with. If there is a glut of slow bat first corner outfielders in front of him, those are the guys you trade or risk losing.
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Posted 05 April 2021 - 07:57 PM

There are least 3 posts I would like to copy and paste but that would difficult, long, and perhaps boring, lol.

Unless you are a bad team with limited talent and in re-build, your 40 man is very complex. If you are a contending team, you HAVE to consider depth for your team, not just an opening for a roster spot for an A ball player with skills but limited results thus far. How many good, contending teams would EVER protect an A ball OF on the 40 man with limited results thus far over someone who not only has produced at a higher level, but could actually be "expected" to contribute when called on for said contending team?

The Twins ARE a contending team with talent, depth, and some great prospects. Some of those prospects, well ahead of Badoo, are on the 40 man already. Some are going to have to be added next season, if not before. Already, there is discussion about potentially adding a quality BP arm or two and who would have to be let go or transferred, unfortunately, to the 60 man IL just to make room for them.

It sounds so easy doesn't it, cut Gordon, cut Garlik, cut Smeltzer, and just add and promote someone else. But then someone gets hurt, and you have to promote someone from a lower level. Think Polanco about 5yrs ago. And then the guy you let go does really well with a different organization and you wonder why we didn't keep him? Vicious circle with best guesses.

Oh, BTW, if you fill your 40 man then you can't sign FA without cutting someone. Almost forgot that POINT!

I hope for the best for Badoo as baseball fan and a fan of the young men in the Twins system. Selfishly, I hope he struggles enough, and avoids injury, and the Tigers give him back to the Twins. But not protecting him was the right move to keep roster spots open for signings and depth.
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Posted 05 April 2021 - 08:03 PM

 

There are least 3 posts I would like to copy and paste but that would difficult, long, and perhaps boring, lol.

Unless you are a bad team with limited talent and in re-build, your 40 man is very complex. If you are a contending team, you HAVE to consider depth for your team, not just an opening for a roster spot for an A ball player with skills but limited results thus far. How many good, contending teams would EVER protect an A ball OF on the 40 man with limited results thus far over someone who not only has produced at a higher level, but could actually be "expected" to contribute when called on for said contending team?

The Twins ARE a contending team with talent, depth, and some great prospects. Some of those prospects, well ahead of Badoo, are on the 40 man already. Some are going to have to be added next season, if not before. Already, there is discussion about potentially adding a quality BP arm or two and who would have to be let go or transferred, unfortunately, to the 60 man IL just to make room for them.

It sounds so easy doesn't it, cut Gordon, cut Garlik, cut Smeltzer, and just add and promote someone else. But then someone gets hurt, and you have to promote someone from a lower level. Think Polanco about 5yrs ago. And then the guy you let go does really well with a different organization and you wonder why we didn't keep him? Vicious circle with best guesses.

Oh, BTW, if you fill your 40 man then you can't sign FA without cutting someone. Almost forgot that POINT!

I hope for the best for Badoo as baseball fan and a fan of the young men in the Twins system. Selfishly, I hope he struggles enough, and avoids injury, and the Tigers give him back to the Twins. But not protecting him was the right move to keep roster spots open for signings and depth.

And yet on the flipside, people wanted to get rid of Rosario for the last 3 years lol.Now we got rid of him and we have a disaster with our outfield and outfield prospects


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Posted 05 April 2021 - 08:22 PM

 

I'm sorry, but you are wrong.When the Twins protected players from the Rule V draft, they finished with 37 players protected from the draft.They easily could have added a few more but chose not to

 

Soooooo, what does that have to do with Garlick? That was your point right? The Twins chose Garlick over Baddoo?

 

They set Baddoo free. Maybe the reasoning was to keep their roster open to sign some of the six major league free agents they ended up signing. Maybe they (logically) assumed a guy who's never played above A ball and hasn't played in two years was a very long shot to get claimed AND stick on a MLB roster. 

 

Or, maybe, they knew this guy was behind a lot of other very talented players and his only real shot at making his dreams come true was to find them with another club. Looks like the long shot paid off. So what, it wasn't going to pay off for the Twins.

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Posted 05 April 2021 - 08:27 PM

 

Soooooo, what does that have to do with Garlick? That was your point right? The Twins chose Garlick over Baddoo?

 

They set Baddoo free. Maybe the reasoning was to keep their roster open to sign some of the six major league free agents they ended up signing. Maybe they (logically) assumed a guy who's never played above A ball and hasn't played in two years was a very long shot to get claimed AND stick on a MLB roster. 

 

Or, maybe, they knew this guy was behind a lot of other very talented players and his only real shot at making his dreams come true was to find them with another club. Looks like the long shot paid off. So what, it wasn't going to pay off for the Twins.

Now you are changing the argument from "there was no room" to "they had to leave room so they could sign Garlick" proving my point.

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Posted 05 April 2021 - 08:32 PM

 

 

 

 

that is illogical.There is no correlation between leaving Baddoo off the 40 man roster and the signing of Garlick.A coincidence, I'll buy into.But not a correlation.It would only be a correlation if the Twins said "let's leave Baddoo unprotected so we can pick up Garlick."

 

You are wrong. They were absolutely correlated.The twins had a few spots open and decided to leave them open for "flexibility" to take guys like Garlick.The right comparison will always be do we keep our prospects or do we want guys like Garlick?

 


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Posted 05 April 2021 - 08:49 PM

And yet on the flipside, people wanted to get rid of Rosario for the last 3 years lol. Now we got rid of him and we have a disaster with our outfield and outfield prospects

There’s a disaster in the outfield? What did I miss?
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Posted 05 April 2021 - 08:55 PM

And yet on the flipside, people wanted to get rid of Rosario for the last 3 years lol.Now we got rid of him and we have a disaster with our outfield and outfield prospects


They did? We do?

SOME people weren't tremendous fans of Rosario. From my best recollection, nobody was looking to get rid of him 3 year ago. Was there SOME debate about his value 2 years ago? Yeah, maybe some. The replacement debate really started in 2020 and this last off-season based on finances and replacement cost/value as well as pure roster finances. Even the majority of "time to move on" posters acknowledged he was productive and fun and didn't necessarily want to see him go. I'm in that group. I never wanted to see him leave, I'm a fan. But even as fan, I saw the talent comjng up and the financial implications involved. Had 2020 been a normal or semi-normal year, I believe the Twins would have spent the $10M to sign him for one more year to buy time. But we can't re-write history.

Sooner or later, 2021 or 2022, room had to be made for the future.

Is LF a mess? IMO, NO. It is only in transition. EVERYONE knew Arraez would be part of LF unless Kirilloff just took off. But to blindly assume he would just grab the spot and run with it jumping from AA ball with only the alternate site in 2020 to make the jump was optimism. The FO knew that as well. It's part of the reason they claimed Garlik not once, but twice. They love Kirilloff and Larnach. They like Rooker. They also like Cave and knew Arraez could be part of the equation, at least early. These guys in the FO are pretty smart.

LF is NOT a mess, it's a spot with opportunity and a transitional spot for Cave, Garlik and Arraez to play and produce while waiting for Kirilloff and Larnach....and to a degree for Rooker...to grab hold. Rooker is a DH who can play some 1B and corner OF as/if he improves defensively. Kirilloff and Larnach will be fixtures at 1B and corner OF to replace Cruz. There is a method to the madness here. Garlik is a fill-in who has a great milb track record who has never shined at the ML level thus far. And you could make an arguement he hasn t had a sustained opportunity or could be a late bloomer. IMO, he's a short term option only unless he surprises.

But LF is NOT a mess, simply a position with multiple options who can contribute until someone grabs hold. And that will probably be Kirilloff very soon, though I hope very much Rooker will show he's ready to be a 5th OF/1B/DH option come 2022.

But none of this accounts for Badoo, potentially lost. Celestino is above Badoo. Period! A couple of kids like Urbina and Rodriguez are generally ranked as high or higher than Badoo. I wish the best for the kid and hope he is returned to us. But we are in no way decimated if not. Nor is LF some some sort of disaster.
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Posted 05 April 2021 - 09:01 PM

 

Shane Mack comes to mind for me. But I do agree that, as infrequent as it is, losing someone like Baddoo is bound to happen to teams with a ton of depth in the system. Frankly, I'd be happy to see Baddoo have a Shane Mack-like career. It's not probable though.

 

BTW, the Tigers are probably going to be respectable this year. I think the entire ALC may be under-estimated.

Mack couldn’t beat out a hall of fame player in San Diego

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Posted 05 April 2021 - 09:01 PM

Now you are changing the argument from "there was no room" to "they had to leave room so they could sign Garlick" proving my point.

The Twins did no such thing. They exposed Baddoo at the beginning of the offseason and claimed Garlick at the beginning of spring training. Between those two dates, an entire offseason happened, replete with signings and moves.

You’re stretching hard to link a Rule V loss to a flyer taken to open spring training, something teams do all the time.

Players like Baddoo are why the Rule V draft exists at all; to drain deep, competitive organizations of fringe talent and feed that talent to lesser teams, allowing buried players to get a chance in MLB.
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Posted 06 April 2021 - 06:55 AM

I would prefer the Twins to be the franchise that is losing guys in the rule 5 than the one that is adding with the rule 5 draft every year.

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