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#1 spycake

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Posted 24 March 2021 - 10:39 AM

The hype train has already started for Andrew Vaughn, the White Sox's presumptive DH:

 

https://www.usatoday...ghn/4801933001/

 

3rd overall pick in the 2019 draft, hasn't played above A-ball yet -- should be interesting to see how he does! White Sox already talking long-term contract with him too -- and not using his promotion for leverage.

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Posted 24 March 2021 - 10:42 AM

He seems at least 2 years away. Can he really be on course for 2020? If so, congrats on pushing a great talent.


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Posted 24 March 2021 - 10:44 AM

Anyone who says he is on the level is Cruz is a fool...I'll just say that

Just do it. (Unless an idiot would do it... then don’t)


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Posted 24 March 2021 - 11:36 AM

Yeah, I can't pick up on this trail too well. Where's all the hype coming from for this guy? He had one MiLB season where he was good but couldn't crack an .800 OPS at either level of A ball. And he's a first basemen. First basemen ALWAYS get devalued in prospect rankings, yet somehow Vaughn is a top 20 guy?

 

It looks like he's got some good tools, specifically, it looks like he might be able to avoid giant strikeout numbers which is a huge problem for Chicago, but all this love for this guy seems like it has to simply be tied to his draft position. Which, by now every baseball fan should know promises you jack squat.


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Posted 24 March 2021 - 12:58 PM

 

Yeah, I can't pick up on this trail too well. Where's all the hype coming from for this guy?

Here's a nice article on Vaughn -- and the challenges of evaluating a first baseman -- from before the 2019 draft:

 

https://www.theringe...rst-baseman-cal

 

The article mentions another right-handed college first baseman, Spencer Torkelson, who later went 1st overall in the 2020 draft.


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Posted 24 March 2021 - 01:22 PM

 

He had one MiLB season where he was good but couldn't crack an .800 OPS at either level of A ball.

His inexperience is definitely cause for concern, but these stats aren't too bad. Both of the minor leagues he played in were extreme pitcher's leagues with league OPSes around .680 -- by comparison, the MLB OPS that year was .758 (and AAA was even higher). Adjusting for league, Fangraphs pegs those performances around a 129 wRC+.

 

Of course, that alone doesn't warrant a jump straight to MLB, even if it's decent for his first introduction to pro ball (coming after a full college season which began back in February).


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Posted 24 March 2021 - 01:32 PM

Of course, Kris Bryant in his draft year put up wRC+ figures of 209 and 212, and then went to the AFL where he posted a 1.184 OPS. He had a higher K rate and lower walk rate, but that's the kind of overall production you'd like to see from a low-minors player before jumping straight to MLB!


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Posted 24 March 2021 - 01:37 PM

This Vaughn promotion reminds me a bit of Gordon Beckham -- although even he had a couple months at AA/AAA before getting the call to MLB in June 2009. And of course, after a great rookie year, he regressed quite a bit after that.


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Posted 24 March 2021 - 01:45 PM

 

His inexperience is definitely cause for concern, but these stats aren't too bad. Both of the minor leagues he played in were extreme pitcher's leagues with league OPSes around .680 -- by comparison, the MLB OPS that year was .758 (and AAA was even higher). Adjusting for league, Fangraphs pegs those performances around a 129 wRC+.

 

Of course, that alone doesn't warrant a jump straight to MLB, even if it's decent for his first introduction to pro ball (coming after a full college season which began back in February).

 

I didn't say his stats were bad. I said the opposite in fact.

 

Kudos to Chicago for getting their young players involved soon, but honestly, if a guy drafted in the 2nd round put up the same numbers, nobody would be having this discussion. 


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Posted 24 March 2021 - 02:10 PM

One point of reference for me is that he played in the Pac 12 in 2018 just like Trevor Larnach. 

Larnach 21yo - .348/.463/.652 - 19hr
Vaughn 20yo - .402/.531/.819 - 23hr

He's pretty talented.

I have my doubts he'll take Uncle Jerry's low-ball extension offer before the first MLB plate appearance though. So I assume he's in AAA till at least June unless something happens to Abreu.  

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Posted 24 March 2021 - 02:26 PM

 

I have my doubts he'll take Uncle Jerry's low-ball extension offer before the first MLB plate appearance though. So I assume he's in AAA till at least June unless something happens to Abreu.  

I take it you didn't read the linked article? The team has all but said he's going to be their opening day DH.


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Posted 24 March 2021 - 02:43 PM

 

if a guy drafted in the 2nd round put up the same numbers, nobody would be having this discussion. 

I guess the question is, to what degree is Vaughn overrated, and to what degree are those numbers overrated?


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Posted 24 March 2021 - 02:53 PM

 

I take it you didn't read the linked article? The team has all but said he's going to be their opening day DH.

Yeah, I see it now. I got caught up in the comments of this thread. 

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Posted 25 March 2021 - 07:58 AM

 

I take it you didn't read the linked article? The team has all but said he's going to be their opening day DH.

 

Dang the White Sox are pushing all their chips into the middle.If their pitching holds that is going to be one tough team for next 6 to 8 years at least.I am pretty jealous of the lineup they have already not including Vaughn.

 

They don't have a ton of depth but look above average almost everywhere now.


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Posted 25 March 2021 - 08:24 PM

 

He seems at least 2 years away. Can he really be on course for 2020? 

Not without a time machine. :)

 

That has been posted for almost a day and a half and nobody has given you a hard time for it yet?We have some work to do around here to be ready for regular season game threads!

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Posted 26 March 2021 - 09:22 AM

If you look at last year's DH stats for the White Sox, mediocrity for Vaughn would be an improvement. Learn on the job could work, or fail. 

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Posted 26 March 2021 - 03:09 PM

The only reason we hasn’t played at least AA ball is because of COVID.

Not all prospects are required to delay their arrival due to COVID. It’s something to consider for sure, but it’s not a rule. Everyone thinks he’ll hit, he was drafted 3rd overall as a refined college bat two years ago now...at it’s not like he’s been anywhere close to overmatched this spring. Oh, and last year the Sox managed a very productive lineup with a DH that OPS’d 627. Of course you play him.

 

(Almost same exact age as Kirilloff. Drafted higher. Performing much better in ST. And I haven’t noticed anyone here suggesting starting Kirilloff out of the gate would have been an act of desperation on the Twins part, despite the fact that Kirilloff would be replacing someone who OPS’d 792)

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Posted 28 March 2021 - 06:56 PM

Imagine how scary this team would be if it didn't think James Shields was their ticket to the postseason.

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Posted 29 March 2021 - 01:39 AM

Andrew Vaughn....new White Sox left fielder...finally somebody in the MLB has a worse defender out there than the Minnesota Twins.

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Posted 29 March 2021 - 01:43 AM

Dang the White Sox are pushing all their chips into the middle.If their pitching holds that is going to be one tough team for next 6 to 8 years at least.I am pretty jealous of the lineup they have already not including Vaughn.
 
They don't have a ton of depth but look above average almost everywhere now.

hahaahaaahaaaaa No Way! Really?