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Potential 2013 Twins Draft Pick: Mark Appel

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#1 Jeremy Nygaard

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 07:21 PM

One year ago, Appel sat atop many draft boards. A year later, his status remains similar. After not signing with Pittsburgh, the big righty will re-enter the draft after his senior season at Stanford.

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[Appel] absolutely remains one of the most serious candidates to be the number one overall selection in June.

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Game Log:
2/15 vs Rice - 5 IP, 7 H, 5 R, 2 ER, 3 BB, 3 K, WP, 5:1 FO:GO (Loss, 0-1) (*Ranked 1A on initial draft board)
2/22 vs Fresno State - 9 IP, 3 H, ER, BB, 11 K, 7:9 FO:GO, 105/75 (Pitches/strikes) (Win, 1-1) (*Made a great impression on the 60-70 scouts in attendance)
3/1 vs Texas - 9 IP, 3 H, BB, 14 K, 7:7 FO:GO, 110/74. (Win, 2-1) (*Scott Boras laughing all the way to the bank)
3/8 vs UNLV - 7 IP, 4 H, 3 R, 1 ER, BB, 15 K(!), 2 WP, 2:7 FO:GO (Loss, 2-2) (*Undone by errors, Appel is solidifying his spot on draft boards)
3/22 vs Utah - 8 IP, 6 H, 2 R, ER, BB, 11 K, HBP, 3:12 FO:GO, 107/71 (Win, 3-2)
3/28 vs Washington St - 9 IP, 4 H, BB, 10 K, WP, 3 HBP. 110/79. (Win, 4-2)
4/5 vs USC - 8.2 IP, 7 H, 2 ER, BB, 7 K, 2 WP, 108 pitches. (Win, 5-2)
4/12 vs 8 IP, 7 H, 4 R, 3 ER, 2 BB, 7 K, WP, HBP, 115/77. (Win, 6-2)



*This post will be updated throughout the season. Please link game stories or other related Appel-themed posts below.

Edited by Jeremy Nygaard, 19 April 2013 - 08:06 PM.


#2 Jeremy Nygaard

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 07:23 PM

Game story from 2/15

Appel on not signing with Pittsburgh

On prepping for the 2013 draft: "Everybody said, `If you don't sign, you're pushing your major league career back a year.' I don't see it that way. I don't understand how people can say that I can't keep working and keep getting better at Stanford. It might be a different situation and scenario than a minor league team, but I still have the opportunities to improve my game, get better, to just grow as a baseball player and a teammate and prepare myself for the next level."


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Posted 22 February 2013 - 07:43 PM

Friend of TwinsDaily/Twins Scouting Supervisor Sean Johnson is watching Appel right now. Sixty to seventy scouts there to watch Appel come out throwing 97 mph. Appel went 1-2-3 and ironically, the radio announcer said he was "pitching-to-contact".

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 08:08 PM

Friend of TwinsDaily/Twins Scouting Supervisor Sean Johnson is watching Appel right now. Sixty to seventy scouts there to watch Appel come out throwing 97 mph. Appel went 1-2-3 and ironically, the radio announcer said he was "pitching-to-contact".


Ha! Funny.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 10:35 AM

This is the guy I want to fall to us.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 10:41 AM

He pitched a complete game. 1 run on 3 hits and a walk with 11K's. Only 105 pitches

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 10:45 AM

He pitched a complete game. 1 run on 3 hits and a walk with 11K's. Only 105 pitches


I listened to it on the radio, really only faced any sort of resistance in one inning. He gave up a long fly ball out to Aaron Judge (who homered off of him twice last year), but worked very, very quick. Cut back a little on his flyball-outs this game (as compared to last).

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 10:53 AM

The more I think about it... I think a good strategy for the draft could be to take Appel is he is there at #4. If you sign him, great, you have a solid #2 who could be a #1 signed. However, if you don't sign him, you could have two Top 5 Picks in 2014 when people believe that the talent is much, much better.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 11:09 AM

9 innings and over 100 pitches in his second start of the season huh? College coaches, I tell ya.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 11:58 AM

The more I think about it... I think a good strategy for the draft could be to take Appel is he is there at #4. If you sign him, great, you have a solid #2 who could be a #1 signed. However, if you don't sign him, you could have two Top 5 Picks in 2014 when people believe that the talent is much, much better.


Excellent point. Meanwhile, his almost perfect mechanics remind me of Mariano Rivera. Appel is definitely going to be some team's ace, maybe a half tick below Verlander's level.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 12:26 PM

The question is does our draft pool money go up in 2014 if we don't sign him in 2013? If so, draft him, offer him slot and if he doesn't accept, let him play for the Saints and become a free agent. If not, hope that Manaea or Stanek drop to us.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 12:51 PM

The question is does our draft pool money go up in 2014 if we don't sign him in 2013? If so, draft him, offer him slot and if he doesn't accept, let him play for the Saints and become a free agent. If not, hope that Manaea or Stanek drop to us.

Agreed, but even if he doesn't sign and plays for an independent team, he would not become a free agent. He would just go back to the draft next year. He would have to go totally undrafted in order to become a free agent.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 01:03 PM

The more I think about it... I think a good strategy for the draft could be to take Appel is he is there at #4. If you sign him, great, you have a solid #2 who could be a #1 signed. However, if you don't sign him, you could have two Top 5 Picks in 2014 when people believe that the talent is much, much better.


And offer him under slot money ....Tell him to thank his agent for that

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 01:05 PM

The more I think about it... I think a good strategy for the draft could be to take Appel is he is there at #4. If you sign him, great, you have a solid #2 who could be a #1 signed. However, if you don't sign him, you could have two Top 5 Picks in 2014 when people believe that the talent is much, much better.


Funny deal when i mentioned it , you all thought it was the dumbest thing you ever heard

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 01:24 PM

Good Idea, Do not think he will be there at #4, but Boris may want the same money as the #1 pick as last year to avoid looking like a fool.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 01:38 PM

Good Idea, Do not think he will be there at #4, but Boris may want the same money as the #1 pick as last year to avoid looking like a fool.

No. He wanted more than the #1 pick got last year. He'll absolutely want more than that this this year.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 02:22 PM

Twins Terp says it well on this thread.

Appel should definitely be in the discussion if he's on the board at #4, but I'll stand by what I said on the Original Draft Board:

If Appel is available at #4 and there is enough confidence in the draft room that Appel will come at a reasonable enough price as to not cripple the rest of the draft, I say go for it.


I would have an extremely hard time losing him - and the money attached to the pick - for the same reasons that Twins Terp pointed out. Mainly - the team that drafts Appel is going to structure their entire draft differently. You're not just punting that pick; you're punting your whole draft.

Appel's worth it, but you have to get him...

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 02:45 PM

I thought the sanctions are applied to a team "that overpays the combined slot values threshold" in the following year's draft. Thus, if the Twins draft Apple, pay him this whopping amount, and are unable to carve it out from all of the following draft selections of the 2013 draft, then the sanctions apply to the 2014 draft. Those sanctions may include forfeiture of the Twins' 1st Round selection. I think if the Twins select him they may have to agree to immediately place him on the Active Roster (and leave him there for three years!) in order to reduce the signing bonus to "fit in the slot". While that strategy may be appropriate for Appel, it deviates from "The Twins Way" and opens the door for many other draftees in the future to demand the same concession. Given the Twins refusal to grant Mauer's request for deferred compensation with a guaranteed rate-of-return, I am certain that the Twins would choke on immediate placement on the Active Roster and the resultant "loss of control" over a player (Apppel)--even if it is warranted.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 02:50 PM

I thought the sanctions are applied to a team "that overpays the combined slot values threshold" in the following year's draft. Thus, if the Twins draft Apple, pay him this whopping amount, and are unable to carve it out from all of the following draft selections of the 2013 draft, then the sanctions apply to the 2014 draft. Those sanctions may include forfeiture of the Twins' 1st Round selection.


That is the biggest penalty. If they exceed the pool up to a certain percentage, they are taxed on the overage. The Pirates were willing to pay up to the dollar that would have lost them their 2013 pick, but not more. Boras wanted more. If the Twins pick goes unsigned, their pool will decrease by $4.5m. The Pirates saved as much money as they could and went to the deadline with Appel. They didn't have any time after that to spend the money they had saved.

I think if the Twins select him they may have to agree to immediately place him on the Active Roster (and leave him there for three years!) in order to reduce the signing bonus to "fit in the slot". While that strategy may be appropriate for Appel, it deviates from "The Twins Way" and opens the door for many other draftees in the future to demand the same concession. Given the Twins refusal to grant Mauer's request for deferred compensation with a guaranteed rate-of-return, I am certain that the Twins would choke on immediate placement on the Active Roster and the resultant "loss of control" over a player (Apppel)--even if it is warranted.


I've suggested similar, but no one is sure how this would work under the new CBA which prohibits Major-league deals. If he signs a lesser-bonus and is called up immediately, someone will cry foul... which would be exactly what Boras wants, because he'd claim Appel should then be a free agent.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 03:25 PM

I think if the Twins select him they may have to agree to immediately place him on the Active Roster (and leave him there for three years!) in order to reduce the signing bonus to "fit in the slot".


The new CBA makes it clear that you cannot sign him to a major league contract. I suppose they could have a handshake agreement to add him to the 40 man right away, and given his talent level, they'd likely be able to send him to AA and if he succeeds do so, but this is not a requirement.

If 2014 is super deep, then yes, I'd draft Appel. I'd also do what Houston did and grab a couple more tough signs in later rounds. If Appel doesn't go for slot (or slightly over), then I take that money and throw it at them, but no way would I draft Appel and then not sign anyone else. Unless he's the second coming of Santana, you just don't do that.