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#1 Jeremy Nygaard

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 07:06 PM

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#2 Chance

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 07:38 PM

Loved it.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 08:14 PM

This is an immensely entertaining post. If half of it comes true, then you are prescient. I just hope that it's the good half that comes true. In particular, I am praying for good performances from Plouffe, Deduno, Parmelee and Dozier.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 08:34 PM

Entertaining article. Parmelee is presented just as I expected. Rest is about what I believe. Morneau's future here is tied to how Parmelee produces. Have many reservations on that front. Hope our starting pitching will be resolved by next year, but I have predicted that the Twins will win 72, but if midseason firesale it could be less.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 08:57 PM

Fun. But hold it for one thing:
If Arcia will have more of an impact than Hicks and Thomas will make the team, does this mean that Thomas ( who almost killed Meyer btw) will be the Twins starting CF?
An OF of Willingham-Thomas-Parmelee would be very very interesting :)
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#6 Jeremy Nygaard

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 09:05 PM

Thomas will be up for a month, then Hicks comes up and struggles. Mastro will still be up. Thomas goes down. Arcia may be up if Hammer gets hurt or Parmelee struggles, but comes up for good when Morneau or Hammer gets traded. Hicks will still get a lot of at-bats, but will struggle offensively. I don't think Arcia will, whether that's at RF, LF or DH.

An OF of Willingham-Thomas-Parmeless isn't interesting. It's both bad and sad.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 09:21 PM

An OF of Willingham-Thomas-Parmeless isn't interesting. It's both bad and sad.


well.. do you remember the OF of Delmon-Cuddyer(CF)-Kubel?

:)

That would be a fun comparison
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Posted 22 February 2013 - 09:29 PM

Totally unrelated with the topic, because I just saw the pic posted with this...

Do you all realize that only Mauer and Morneau are left from the players in that game? (Perk was in AAA - begrudgingly- and Duensing did not make the team until the season after)
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Posted 22 February 2013 - 10:25 PM

Totally unrelated with the topic, because I just saw the pic posted with this...

Do you all realize that only Mauer and Morneau are left from the players in that game? (Perk was in AAA - begrudgingly- and Duensing did not make the team until the season after)


Duensing actually pitched an inning in game 162 and then got the starting nod in game 1 of the ALDS. But yeah, surprising how few guys are left. I was at game 162 and they seemed to try to drag every Twins who played in the Metrodome out on the field and remember thinking it was kind of a shame that the local kid Perkins was the only no show from the current team (the AAA season was over by then) and it was because he and the team were actively trying to cut each others throats. Amazing fences were mended after that dust-up.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 11:55 PM

Good stuff!! Time will tell how accurate you are, but solid predictions.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 12:37 AM

If this team starts out with Drew Butera, Clete Thomas, and say, Eduardo Escobar on the roster, I might shoot myself. NONE of them should be on the roster. But I would actually accept Butera at the beginning. Clete Thomas is NOT good. He just isn't. He never has been. At all. If that is their decision than good lord and a half. Brandon Boggs and Wilkin Ramirez are better options.

I generally think that Tim Wood is also pretty terrible. I have no idea what this team is thinking with bringing in bad-to-mediocre older players. Tim Wood over Anthony Slama. Really?

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 06:36 AM

I must say after seeing the picture of the Twins celebrating a big walk off win it had me excited for twins baseball until I read the article. I to believe the twins will be better this year and most of your predictions will come true. Should still be a fun summer to see how the youngsters do in the bigs and throughout the system.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 10:27 AM

Totally unrelated with the topic, because I just saw the pic posted with this...

Do you all realize that only Mauer and Morneau are left from the players in that game? (Perk was in AAA - begrudgingly- and Duensing did not make the team until the season after)


Clete Thomas was in the other dugout. Does that count?

#14 Jeremy Nygaard

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 10:53 AM

Clete Thomas is NOT good. He just isn't. He never has been. At all. If that is their decision than good lord and a half. Brandon Boggs and Wilkin Ramirez are better options.


I agree wholeheartedly with the first half of the quote.

The reason I think Thomas gets the nod has more to do with his ability to fill in at Center Field. In the last two seasons, he's played 150 minor league games in CF. Boggs has played 6 and Ramirez 4.

If two of Mastorianni, Hicks and Benson make the roster, then Thomas won't. But if Hicks and Benson start in the minors who is the backup CF? It could be someone that ends up on the waiver-wire and I'd be absolutely be ok with that.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 10:56 AM

If this team starts out with Drew Butera, Clete Thomas, and say, Eduardo Escobar on the roster, I might shoot myself. NONE of them should be on the roster. But I would actually accept Butera at the beginning. Clete Thomas is NOT good. He just isn't. He never has been. At all. If that is their decision than good lord and a half. Brandon Boggs and Wilkin Ramirez are better options.


Well, I wont go as far as shooting myself...but I agree Clete Thomas has NO PLACE on a MLB roster--neither does Butera. If Hicks doesnt start in CF and goes to minors--keep Benson as 4th OF until Hicks/Arcia is ready. As for Butera, we can do better,

I keep hoping for a spring trade to get CF--maybe trade Morneau now and move Parmalee to 1B.

I do think Twins will win between 75 and 79 games and finish above last in AL Central.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 11:15 AM

If this team starts out with Drew Butera, Clete Thomas, and say, Eduardo Escobar on the roster, I might shoot myself. NONE of them should be on the roster. But I would actually accept Butera at the beginning. Clete Thomas is NOT good. He just isn't. He never has been. At all. If that is their decision than good lord and a half. Brandon Boggs and Wilkin Ramirez are better options.

I generally think that Tim Wood is also pretty terrible. I have no idea what this team is thinking with bringing in bad-to-mediocre older players. Tim Wood over Anthony Slama. Really?

Ok Ted Nuggent we will hold you to it =)

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 11:25 AM

You seemed to have danced around the biggest question, what will happen to Gardy?

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 11:36 AM

Unless there is a player added during spring training , it seems to me that Joe Benson makes the team as the 4th outfielder as long as he is healthy.
If it comes down to Clete or Benson why not take a chance on a guy who may have more upside?
Joe already is on the outside looking in as far as Prospects are concerned, so lets give him a chance and see what he does with it?

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 11:38 AM

You seemed to have danced around the biggest question, what will happen to Gardy?


Gardy and Ryan are here at least through 2014 ... If not Ron would be tossing Terry under the bus already

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 11:46 AM

You seemed to have danced around the biggest question, what will happen to Gardy?


Hmmm... that would have been a good one to include.

I think Grady and his whole staff make it through the year, regardless of record. If there are changes next offseason, they will happen just like they did this offseason. (For the record, I think Gardy will leave on his own if they suffer through another 90-loss season.)

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 12:59 PM

I have been wondering this for a while, realistically speaking... what can we expect from Chris Parmelee defensively? How will this bode for the overall team defense? Willingham on one side and a first baseman on the other side?

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 01:14 PM

Well, I wont go as far as shooting myself...but I agree Clete Thomas has NO PLACE on a MLB roster--neither does Butera. If Hicks doesnt start in CF and goes to minors--keep Benson as 4th OF until Hicks/Arcia is ready. As for Butera, we can do better,

I keep hoping for a spring trade to get CF--maybe trade Morneau now and move Parmalee to 1B.

I do think Twins will win between 75 and 79 games and finish above last in AL Central.

i also believe Twins finish last in the Central Division but Houston Astros finish with worst record in the American league.. If most of Seth predictions come true Twins finish around 63-99...going to be a dreadful season but interested to see some of the young guys come up

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 01:30 PM

I have been wondering this for a while, realistically speaking... what can we expect from Chris Parmelee defensively? How will this bode for the overall team defense? Willingham on one side and a first baseman on the other side?


The last time he appeared in BA's Prospect Handbook, here was the summary of his outfield defense:

With a thick, unathletic body and below-average arm, Parmelee has moved down the defensive spectrum to first base, with occasional stops on the outfield corners.


So not good...

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 02:25 PM

The last time he appeared in BA's Prospect Handbook, here was the summary of his outfield defense:

So not good...


Yeah, we have two-DH's in the outfield. Can't wait for Arcia's arrival. But we gotta get something good in trade for Morneau first...

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 02:26 PM

Yeah, we have two-DH's in the outfield. Can't wait for Arcia's arrival. But we gotta get something good in trade for Morneau first...


...no reason to rush this trade. Maybe you trade Willingham too, and make a solid return for our rebuilding club?

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 03:10 PM

I'm strangely very bullish on Deduno. I think he cuts his walk rate to 3BB/9... and if he does...

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 03:23 PM

...no reason to rush this trade. Maybe you trade Willingham too, and make a solid return for our rebuilding club?


Willingham has far more value to the Twins in his natural position--DH. I have read at least hundred posts about: Trade Willingham (or Trade Morneau) and it's clear that the Twins FO has also considered those very same options--and rejected the results. Keep Willingham, re-sign him short-term, and provide a bona fide powerhitting run producer from the DH slot. The youth will takeover the OF providing the defense, speed, arms, and (hopefully) enough offense to make things interesting. Mauer catches, Doumit backs him up, (Buh-bye to Drew) because with Josh as full-time DH (spelled by Mauer and Doumit) there is no need for a third catcher. There will be a credible offense--likely well above average if the reports of the young OFs is close to accurate, a big increase in OF defense, and enough power-hitting to push the fast guys around the bases.
Read the thread on "Bad teams Rebuilding" there is a big need for a few proven veterans--especially with one at DH so he doesn't hurt his team in the field.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 03:51 PM

*The Twins will be sellers at the deadline. Justin Morneau, Josh Willingham and Mike Pelfrey will bid farewell before the end of July.

I see none of the above. I may be new to the site, but old to posting. I can see no possible reason to trade Morneau. No way possible to get any kind of nearly equal return at all. And trading Willingham isn't going to happen. Both will have big years.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 03:55 PM

I'm strangely very bullish on Deduno. I think he cuts his walk rate to 3BB/9... and if he does...


I totally agree, diehard!

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 03:55 PM

If Morneau has a big year, he will absolutely have value.

I really hope you are right about Arcia. I can't stomach watching Parmalee in RF for too long.