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#1 John Bonnes

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 04:55 PM

Lots of talk on payroll and the relative salary of Mauer.

BS: Before you moved into Target Field, you said the move would allow the team to spend more money on players. Some people perceive that not to be happening. Is it happening?
DSP: Obviously, there's always going to be a lot of focus on payroll. We tend to focus more on players internally. We've made a huge investment as it relates to Mauer. We've made a huge investment as it relates to Morneau. I think the reality of it is that over time there's got to be that balance between those type of players and players who come into your system. Make no mistake: We don't believe payroll is the issue. We invested well north of $100 million two years ago and it didn't pan out. Last year, our payroll was north of $100 million and we lost 95 games. The good news for fans is there is flexibility. For Opening Day, we're between $80 million and $85 million. I tend to focus more on where we land at the end of the year than where we start. Hopefully, we get off to a reasonable start. The revenues at Target Field put us in a good position, I believe, to go out and add to this baseball team and make it better.


Twins' Dave St. Peter: Team opens season with $80 million to $85 million payroll - TwinCities.com

#2 TheLeviathan

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 05:00 PM

Did anyone else read that last sentence as setting the table to blame the almost certain reduction in gate revenues and fan support for why the team won't add players later in the season and beyond?

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 05:00 PM

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 05:57 PM

I guess we'll hope we don't stumble out the gate again then

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 06:27 PM

"...not just one or two players away from a world championship."
"...build this thing and do it the right way."

Logical conclusions from the above two statements:

1) recognition that the Twins are in complete rebuild mode.
2) We intend to do it the right way--through the draft and acquisition of inexpensive players (mostly minor leaguers).
3) no plans to acquire expensive free agents until we think we are close to winning the World Series.
4) this rebuild will take time--and we're not going to try to shortcut the process.

Other answers state that Mauer and Morneau are not restricting the process. Omitted is that either are part of the solution.

#6 edavis0308

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 06:55 PM

What was our payroll last year if you replace Baker, Pavano, Blackburn, and Morneau with league minimum guys? Sure, Morneau was playing and all but.... Hell include him if you want. Who else was hurt a majority of the year that got replaced by a league minimum guy?

The $100 million payroll argument and not winning just doesn't hold weight with me...I feel like you have to look at the number as being at least $20 Million less.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 07:12 PM

Twins are expected the fans to come back when the team wins. Money will be added when the team starts winning. We all hope.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 07:19 PM

"...not just one or two players away from a world championship."
"...build this thing and do it the right way."
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I buy this thing, but if so, they are not doing it the "right way". Willingham, Morneau, Doumit, Carroll, Correia, etc do not belong in a rebuilding team...
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 07:52 PM

I buy this thing, but if so, they are not doing it the "right way". Willingham, Morneau, Doumit, Carroll, Correia, etc do not belong in a rebuilding team...


They still have to field a roster and it would be a mistake to fill the team with prospects that aren't ready. If they just went with one year guys the talent would be even worse.

I don't imagine Morneau, Doumit or Carroll have a whole lot of value and the offers for Willingham probably weren't great in the offseason. If he stays healthy they'll probably get more at the deadline then they would right now.
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 07:55 PM

I'll also add that while I don't have a problem with the payroll being where it is, I do appreciate that every interview I have heard/read with St. Peter or Ryan this offseason has involved a question (or more) about the payroll. It is good to hold them accountable.
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 08:04 PM

I'll also add that while I don't have a problem with the payroll being where it is, I do appreciate that every interview I have heard/read with St. Peter or Ryan this offseason has involved a question (or more) about the payroll. It is good to hold them accountable.


Which they completely miss the point each time, finger pointing at how much the payroll was the past two years, as if spending money on better players doesn't mean you'll be a better team.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 08:04 PM

holding them accountable would be calling B.S. when they gave B.S. answers. Those kind of carpy answers likely wouldn't fly most anywhere else...

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 08:16 PM

According to the Twins 50% of revenue formula for payroll, Revenue must be back at Metrodome levels.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 08:32 PM

Ah, the old "Last year, our payroll was north of $100 million and we lost 95 (sic) games" excuse. Seems logical, the team almost spends what they should be expected to and loses, spending less should surely do the trick.

This is tough, I really like getting these kind of interviews but it's impossible to buy what these guys are saying because the team's actions speak much, much louder. Seriously, I appreciate St. Peter being accessable, but are we to believe that he thinks the team will get off to a "reasonable" enough start to add big talent later in the year? When have they ever done that? Besides why trade prospects for impact players later in the year when you could have signed them without trading prospects in the off season?

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 08:44 PM

So if we lose 90 again this year with 80M payroll....does that excuse another drop of 20M or how does that reasoning work?

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 08:45 PM

So if we lose 90 again this year with 80M payroll....does that excuse another drop of 20M or how does that reasoning work?

What if all our pitchers get hurt again and its actually the equivalent to a 60M payroll all year?

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 08:46 PM

So if we lose 90 again this year with 80M payroll....does that excuse another drop of 20M or how does that reasoning work?


Payroll is gonna drop that much anyway...

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 08:48 PM

Maybe I'm weird, but I get it. I especially appreciate that they aren't taking the shortcuts and are doing it the right way, through development. As we've talked about, that's how the Nationals did it. They developed a very strong core through the draft and through their farm system. As they got close to competing, they complemented their core with some key acquisitions. The Werth deal made no sense, too much money. But getting Span was great for them and wasn't like it was expensive. They could have spent 4-times as much and just signed Bourn and not lose Meyer. But Span likely makes more sense for them.

The Twins could just trade Willingham and Morneau, but they won't get enough in return to make it worth it, might as well keep them, especially since Willingham has such a good contract.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 08:53 PM

Nats are a great example. You know how they got Wilson Ramos? Too much to ask for us to start that process ourselves in FA with some of the excess money?

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 09:09 PM

So if we lose 90 again this year with 80M payroll....does that excuse another drop of 20M or how does that reasoning work?


It works this way--"We finished in last place with $80MM, we can finish last place with $60MM". Eventually, the team will be Joe Mauer and 24 guys who haven't reached their arbitration year--23MM + 24x 0.5MM + 15 x <0.1MM +benefits or nicely under $40MM--The Minnesota Marlins.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 09:26 PM

And the Rays, who still were able to shore up their MI from outside the orgaization very cheaply this offseason and traded well from their own position of strength. All this for their current projected 2013 payroll of around $60M (so when the Twins hit that mark next year, they'll be competitive again, right?)

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 09:35 PM

"...not just one or two players away from a world championship."
"...build this thing and do it the right way."

Logical conclusions from the above two statements:

1) recognition that the Twins are in complete rebuild mode.
2) We intend to do it the right way--through the draft and acquisition of inexpensive players (mostly minor leaguers).
3) no plans to acquire expensive free agents until we think we are close to winning the World Series.
4) this rebuild will take time--and we're not going to try to shortcut the process.

Other answers state that Mauer and Morneau are not restricting the process. Omitted is that either are part of the solution.


The fact that these two were in his opening statement seems more like a crutch and an impediment- my translation, they're already banking on the new version of the M & M boys (Meyer and May) who are going to be the designees to bail out this franchise, it's going to take a long time to get competitive again, Morneau's on the block to gain the team even more "flexibility", more years ahead for the rebuild....

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 10:07 PM

Maybe I'm weird, but I get it. I especially appreciate that they aren't taking the shortcuts and are doing it the right way, through development. As we've talked about, that's how the Nationals did it.


And I think most people will agree that this is the way to build a winner, but it's so frustratingly convenient that this way also just so happens to be the cheapest way for ownership. The Nationals did build through the draft, but they also happened to have the #1 pick in consecutive years that happened to feature two can't miss players along with top ten picks in nearly every year of their existance. The Twins have not had that (?mis?)fortune. To win a championship, this team is still likely going to need to suppliment through free agency and most of us just aren't going to believe they ever will as they have never commited substantial money to a free agent under this leadership.

Same old, same old beef, I know, but we just want proof they are as commited to winning as the other clubs that visably demonstrate an effort.

Edited by nicksaviking, 11 February 2013 - 10:09 PM.


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Posted 12 February 2013 - 12:05 AM

And the Rays, who still were able to shore up their MI from outside the orgaization very cheaply this offseason and traded well from their own position of strength. All this for their current projected 2013 payroll of around $60M (so when the Twins hit that mark next year, they'll be competitive again, right?)


The Twins can only dream about the Scouting the Rays have.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 12:10 AM

The Twins can only dream about the Scouting the Rays have.


I've been proposing for years that the Twins raid the Rays front office. Matt Arnold would run rings around anyone in the Twins FO, starting with Rob Antony- down to the mystery "stat guy" in the catacombs that TR supposedly runs the numbers by.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 12:22 AM

I buy this thing, but if so, they are not doing it the "right way". Willingham, Morneau, Doumit, Carroll, Correia, etc do not belong in a rebuilding team...


Morneau has only one year left and with a solid start to the season suddenly builds trade value has hasn't had the past 12 months, Doumit at least serves a purpose as being a split guy with Mauer while keeping Mauer a bit more healthy, Willingham as discussed in other threads has been shopped before by the Twins, going into 2013 he is the only established major league starting OF on the roster, if Hicks/Benson/Parmelee all prove worthy then trade him, if not wait until you get a good offer like Span and Revere. Carroll has like zero trade value and at this point is blocking no one, other then Dozier potentially catching fire I dont see one legit MI on this roster in 2013 who will step up Florimon, etc all project as util guys as does Dozier at this point. Correia sucks but it is what it is at this point, nobody from the minors is really knocking on the door to get ML innings this year except Gibson (limited IP) and Hendriks, with the rest of the rotation in um...shambles, its not to far fetched to think not a single worthy pitcher will be blocked this year when it comes to getting starts.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 08:40 AM

Seth, my brother, when has Ryan ever supplemented the roster with a legit MLB player? Signing one legit pitcher this year helps them this year and next year and the year after. Signing a legit pitcher does not atop you from drafting well. The only reason not to do so is to increase profits. So, how is signing one legit player bad for this team? If money does not matter, why d id they need a new stadium at all? Clearly they believe money matters, or they would not have begged the taxpayers for a new stadium.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 08:43 AM

Seth, my brother, when has Ryan ever supplemented the roster with a legit MLB player?


To be fair to Ryan, he did pretty well last offseason by signing Doumit, Willingham, and to a lesser extent, Carroll.

Not that I'm defending this offseason.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 08:49 AM

None of those were adds, he let guys walk and backfilled.....when has he had a mediocre player on the roster, and just upgraded the position?

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 08:54 AM

None of those were adds, he let guys walk and backfilled.....when has he had a mediocre player on the roster, and just upgraded the position?


Yeah, pretty much what I said on anotehr thread just a bit ago. I wrote: 'yeah they got Willingham, Doumit and Carroll, and saved some money...but they lost Nathan, Cuddy and Kubel...and did nothing with the saved money. Let's not act as if they added onto the 2011 team without losing some key players....'

So I agree 100%