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#1 John Bonnes

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 04:42 PM

I find it somewhat interesting that one of Worley's worst days as a pitcher came at Hammond Stadium when he was trying to make the Phils last year. I also find it interesting that off-speed stuff seems to be more critical in the AL...

"For me, there's probably more breaking balls (to throw) in the American League. But in the end, it's still my stuff versus your stuff," he said. "It's just figuring out the hitters in this league."


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#2 Riverbrian

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 05:05 PM

I'm very optimistic about Worley. I read a lot of comments about him being a 3 or a 4.

That may be so... Afterall... last year was a very average year numbers wise... But... There was nothing average about his 2011 season. He was very sharp in 2011 and 2012 could be written off as injury related or sophomore jinx related.

Until he shows me differently in 2013... I'm starting the season with the expectation that Worley is what he was in 2011 and will lead this staff and lead it well.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 05:15 PM

Each pitching staff has an Ace, relative to the other starters.
I believe he is ours.
May was the featured pitcher in that trade, but Worley could be a great addition and he could be a Twin for years.
Let's have it go that way!

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 05:19 PM

I admit I'm optimistic about Worley's talent level too. I just hope the offseason health concerns have been taken care of. I hope bone chips are just bone chips.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 06:10 PM

I am not hopeful for Worley and this is why

[TABLE="width: 193"]
[TR]
[TD]Split[/TD]
[TD]OPS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1st PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.661[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2nd PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.72[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3rd PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.843[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4th+ PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.964[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 06:14 PM

I am not hopeful for Worley and this is why

[TABLE="width: 193"]
[TR]
[TD]Split[/TD]
[TD]OPS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1st PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.661[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2nd PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.72[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3rd PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.843[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4th+ PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.964[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


Is that 2012 or career?

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 06:25 PM

Career. He's not exactly treding in the right direction though

2012

[TABLE="width: 181"]
[TR]
[TD]Split[/TD]
[TD]OPS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1st PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.62[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2nd PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.863[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3rd PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.971[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4th+ PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.064[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 06:25 PM

I am not hopeful for Worley and this is why

[TABLE="width: 193"]
[TR]
[TD]Split
[/TD]
[TD]OPS
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1st PA in G as SP
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.661
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2nd PA in G as SP
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.72
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3rd PA in G as SP
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.843
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4th+ PA in G as SP
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.964
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


Be mindfull that the third and definately the fourth round of numbers would tend to higher due to facing the top of the order and probably missing the bottom. As it would appear that he averages about 6 IP/start, it would be more likely that if he were removed, it would be facing the top of the order. No I did not go back and look at any games..

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 06:37 PM

Outs will tend to be harder to get as guys see more of your pitches, yes, but those numbers suggest to me that his future is in relief.

By comparison

Joe Saunders

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[TR]
[TD]Split[/TD]
[TD]OPS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1st PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.77[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2nd PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.747[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3rd PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.778[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4th+ PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.72[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


Anibal

[TABLE="width: 181"]
[TR]
[TD]Split[/TD]
[TD]OPS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1st PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.697[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2nd PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.648[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3rd PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.81[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4th+ PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.679[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


McCarthy

[TABLE="width: 181"]
[TR]
[TD]Split[/TD]
[TD]OPS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1st PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.694[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2nd PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.712[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3rd PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.759[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4th+ PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.766[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


Marcum

[TABLE="width: 180"]
[TR]
[TD]Split[/TD]
[TD]OPS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1st PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.657[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2nd PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.728[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3rd PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.737[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4th+ PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.769[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 06:39 PM

It should be noted that the "4th+" figure came in all of 22 plate appearances.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 06:40 PM

And, as you'd expect, Correia is just as bad

[TABLE="width: 181"]
[TR]
[TD]Split[/TD]
[TD]OPS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1st PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.725[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2nd PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.722[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3rd PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.868[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4th+ PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.083[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 07:24 PM

And, as you'd expect, Correia is just as bad

[TABLE="width: 181"]
[TR]
[TD]Split[/TD]
[TD]OPS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1st PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.725[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2nd PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.722[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3rd PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.868[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4th+ PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.083[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Actually he's better, esp. if you minimize the 4th+ PA...

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 07:49 PM

One thing you have to note: Worley was 24 last season. Before his prime. Young pitchers improve and I hope that those numbers change. Marcum is over his prime and the same with Saunders. Hard to compare those guys to a 24 year old
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#14 ThePuck

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 08:21 PM

Worley has also never pitched more than 135 or so major league innings...and he pitched in the NL

#15 The Wise One

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 08:49 PM

I am not hopeful for Worley and this is why



You have no faith in two pitching coaches, a former all star catcher as coach, and a former MVP and all star catcher will be able to add to Worley's knowledge and make him a better pitcher?

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 10:14 PM

Career. He's not exactly treding in the right direction though

2012

[TABLE="width: 181"]
[TR]
[TD]Split[/TD]
[TD]OPS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1st PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.62[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2nd PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.863[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3rd PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.971[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4th+ PA in G as SP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.064[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


Thanks Hammer... Interesting stats to look at.

He's still on the innings low side... the numbers need to stabalize and I remain hopeful that the numbers stabilize in the right direction as the inning count goes forward.

The Vanimal... I can't wait for April. Let's go.