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#1 Parker Hageman

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 11:11 AM

1500ESPN’s Patrick Reusse reports that reliever Jose Contreras, who missed almost all of last season with a torn UCL ligament, has been working out in Fort Myers with some key people in the Minnesota Twins’ organization: Cedar Rapids (low-A) hitting coach Tommy Watkins and Tony Oliva.

Contreras, who tore the vital ligament in June of last year and never underwent Tommy John surgery to repair, is interested in playing again. The question is, can his elbow hold up? As Ben Lindbergh discussed in his 2010 piece in Baseball Prospectus, a torn ligament never heals on its own, but there are two methods this can be improved upon without requiring surgery. The first is building up strength in the elbow so the muscles pick up the lack of ligament stability and the second is having scar tissue build up. Of course, by his research, approximately 55% of pitchers who have done some resting and rehabbing for a tear have eventually required Tommy John.

The Cuban pitcher will be 41 years old next year so there’s no reason to go under the knife just to eke out one more season. Prior to the injury, Contreras was still bringing it in his fourth decade on earth, transitioning well to the bullpen in the National League. He averaged 92 on his fastball – and getting hitters to miss at a high frequency (career 9.3% swinging strike rate). On a minor league deal, Contreras, if proven healthy, could add some depth to the Minnesota Twins’ bullpen for a minimal investment.

UPDATE: 1500ESPN's Darren Wolfson inquired with a front office member if the fact that Contreras working with some members of the Twins signified anything and the person said it was "random."

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 11:24 AM

1500ESPN’s Patrick Reusse reports that reliever Jose Contreras, who missed almost all of last season with a torn UCL ligament, has been working out in Fort Myers with some key people in the Minnesota Twins’ organization: Cedar Rapids (low-A) manager Tommy Watkins and Tony Oliva.

Contreras, who tore the vital ligament in June of last year and never underwent Tommy John surgery to repair, is interested in playing again. The question is, can his elbow hold up? As Ben Lindbergh discussed in his 2010 piece in Baseball Prospectus, a torn ligament never heals on its own, but there are two methods this can be improved upon without requiring surgery. The first is building up strength in the elbow so the muscles pick up the lack of ligament stability and the second is having scar tissue build up. Of course, by his research, approximately 55% of pitchers who have done some resting and rehabbing for a tear have eventually required Tommy John.

The Cuban pitcher will be 41 years old next year so there’s no reason to go under the knife just to eke out one more season. Prior to the injury, Contreras was still bringing it in his fourth decade on earth, transitioning well to the bullpen in the National League. He averaged 92 on his fastball – and getting hitters to miss at a high frequency (career 9.3% swinging strike rate). On a minor league deal, Contreras, if proven healthy, could add some depth to the Minnesota Twins’ bullpen for a minimal investment.


Um why would the Twins sign a 41 year old sore armed reliever? 1 of the teams strong points should be there bullpen, with the notible exception of the left side...with the team looking to a youth movement why waste time or resources on a player who will not be here when we need him , FREE SLAMA or 1 of the other internal candidates....

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 11:31 AM

Um why would the Twins sign a 41 year old sore armed reliever? 1 of the teams strong points should be there bullpen, with the notible exception of the left side...with the team looking to a youth movement why waste time or resources on a player who will not be here when we need him , FREE SLAMA or 1 of the other internal candidates....


(1) You can never (EVER) have enough pitching.

(2) It would be a minor league deal.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 11:37 AM

(1) You can never (EVER) have enough pitching.

I think you can if the pitching in question is 41. And that's a Cuban 41, which is probably closer to 50.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 11:57 AM

I think you can if the pitching in question is 41. And that's a Cuban 41, which is probably closer to 50.


Not all Cubans lie about their age. But I guess if I could sign a David Ortiz or Miguel Tejada for a $10,000 signing bonus because I could (meaning we hold all the cards) - I would think your way too, about latin players. Make blanket statements like the one you made above....................

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 12:01 PM

With a 40-man roster that is full, and non-roster relief candidates at AAA, it's hard to imagine the scenario where this signing does any good. The upside isn't very large and the odds of achieving that upside are low. But it's hard to see how it does any harm either, and if it gives Rochester a slightly better season then it would not be a deal worth banging a stick on the ground over.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 12:02 PM

Not all Cubans lie about their age. But I guess if I could sign a David Ortiz or Miguel Tejada for a $10,000 signing bonus because I could (meaning we hold all the cards) - I would think your way too, about latin players. Make blanket statements like the one you made above....................



What the hell does this even mean????

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 12:08 PM

What the hell does this even mean????

I think it's what a stroke looks like when it happens mid-sentence.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 12:25 PM

I think it's what a stroke looks like when it happens mid-sentence.

He did underline for clarity, to be fair.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 12:29 PM

41? Insane. There are plenty of AAAA starters that could be relievers. Not to mention Slama, Guerra, ans other relievers in the system. What could the possible upside realistically be for this team?

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 12:33 PM

No, not even a minor league deal. This would be a low risk, no reward deal. Again, not interested

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 12:45 PM

My general thought would be no, they shouldn't sign him. However, before the Tommy John surgery, he was pitching very well, even closing, for the Phillies. On a minor league deal, of course I'd have no problem with bringing him in.

Also, Watkins will be the Cedar Rapids hitting coach. Jake Mauer will manage. Watkins lives in Ft. Myers and is incredibly active at the Twins facilities throughout the offseason.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 12:51 PM

I'd like to see a thread that rated the minor league coaches per their specialty (Pitching / Hitting). AAA on down

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 12:53 PM

[COLOR=#333333]No, not even a minor league deal. This would be a low risk, no reward deal. Again, not interested[/COLOR]


How would this be a "no reward" deal? Essentially, if he's healthy, Contreras winds up as second-level of insurance if arms start to fall apart at the major league level. If he's terrible in spring, he's cut. If he performs well, he hangs around in Rochester as a spare part-insurance policy.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 01:09 PM

Well, it would fit this year's theme of hoping that recently injured players will recover past form/potential and take us to an unanticipated successful season. Maybe we should have kept Baker after all.

Too bad MLB doesn't allow shirt sponsors - we could recruit a local orthopedic firm.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 01:11 PM

He did underline for clarity, to be fair.

And he did it because he could!!!

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 01:28 PM

At least his arm won't blow up as explosively as Joel Zumaya's did.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 01:42 PM

Is Scott Erickson too busy producing movies?

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 02:48 PM

(1) You can never (EVER) have enough pitching.

(2) It would be a minor league deal.


Apperently we had enough pitching to allow Terry to pass on a 98 mph lefty in the rule 5 pick....the Twins could have made a 2nd selection in the 5 draft, but passed on Lara , right now here on planet earth how many lefties can throw 98 mph?
but with Robertson on board we felt we had enough pitching....

The only way this make sense is if Terry is signing Jose in anticipation of adding another cuban and hoping Contreras will be a mentor...

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 02:53 PM

No, not even a minor league deal. This would be a low risk, no reward deal. Again, not interested


Well lets think about it, if by chance Jose makes the twins and in july the angels need a reliever , we could probally get there 42 draft pick from the 1988 draft, i hear he is a mop jockey at 7/11, so at least we would have an assistant for Bill Smith as he makes his annual toilete inspections.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 03:07 PM

Well lets think about it, if by chance Jose makes the twins and in july the angels need a reliever , we could probally get there 42 draft pick from the 1988 draft, i hear he is a mop jockey at 7/11, so at least we would have an assistant for Bill Smith as he makes his annual toilete inspections.


Johnny, what's your opinion on Terry Ryan and the Twins FO?

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 03:07 PM

Signing Contreras to a minor league deal to get to Aledmys Diaz. They can be teammates in AAA for a while.

Terry Ryan, the wooer.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 03:48 PM

Well, it would fit this year's theme of hoping that recently injured players will recover past form/potential and take us to an unanticipated successful season. Maybe we should have kept Baker after all.

Too bad MLB doesn't allow shirt sponsors - we could recruit a local orthopedic firm.


You mean the majority of all free agent pitchers? There is a reason they are available.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 03:50 PM

Giving guys extra service time for pension purposes doesn't seem to exist anymore. If he even signs to a minor league deal, he would be on a rehab assignment and spending most of his time at Ft. Myers or unofficially in the GCL. A nice gesture, maybe. But to ever hand him a 40-man spot, probably not! Twins should still have rights on Zumaya now if they played it...smarter. FREE ANTHONY SLAMA!
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 03:52 PM

Johnny, what's your opinion on Terry Ryan and the Twins FO?


If you always do what you have always done
You always get what you have always gotten

I think Terry finds more saticfaction in finding a marginal player that the other 29 clubs missed
Then signing the player the other 29 clubs wanted...I think Ryan has good and bad attributes...
But are they the correct match for us?

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 03:55 PM

If you always do what you have always done
You always get what you have always gotten

I think Terry finds more saticfaction in finding a marginal player that the other 29 clubs missed
Then signing the player the other 29 clubs wanted...I think Ryan has good and bad attributes...
But are they the correct match for us?


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Edited by twinsnorth49, 04 February 2013 - 03:57 PM.


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Posted 04 February 2013 - 03:55 PM

Apperently we had enough pitching to allow Terry to pass on a 98 mph lefty in the rule 5 pick....the Twins could have made a 2nd selection in the 5 draft, but passed on Lara , right now here on planet earth how many lefties can throw 98 mph?
but with Robertson on board we felt we had enough pitching....

The only way this make sense is if Terry is signing Jose in anticipation of adding another cuban and hoping Contreras will be a mentor...


So you think the Twins have enough room for two Rule 5 guys? That is quite different than a minor league deal.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:03 PM

How would this be a "no reward" deal? Essentially, if he's healthy, Contreras winds up as second-level of insurance if arms start to fall apart at the major league level. If he's terrible in spring, he's cut. If he performs well, he hangs around in Rochester as a spare part-insurance policy.


They've got, what, 22 arms on the 40-man, and I've lost track of how many non-roster spring invites, plus one or two more in organizational filler? It sounds like there is already spare-part insurance, and adding Contreras would be an insurance policy on that insurance. As I said, I'm not banging any sticks on the ground if the signing occurs, but it doesn't strike me as of any real consequence. As always, I'm happy if events prove me wrong (that his upside was significant, not that the team will prove to need that much insurance).

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:05 PM

So you think the Twins have enough room for two Rule 5 guys? That is quite different than a minor league deal.

Who would you keep a 30 year old career .183 hitting catcher or a 25 year old lefty who throws 98mph?

If its my choice , i want 3 lefties in the pen <as Perkins is our closer i want 2 other left handed options, and are you saticfied with Robertsons 5.40 ERA or would you rather have a 98mph blazing fastballer in his place?

Edited by johnnydakota, 04 February 2013 - 04:12 PM.


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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:49 PM

Who would you keep a 30 year old career .183 hitting catcher or a 25 year old lefty who throws 98mph?

If its my choice , i want 3 lefties in the pen <as Perkins is our closer i want 2 other left handed options, and are you saticfied with Robertsons 5.40 ERA or would you rather have a 98mph blazing fastballer in his place?


Duensing is a lefty, it will be him, Robertson and Perkins. Although I agree Robertson's role should probably be as a LOOGY.



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