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#1 Alex

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:51 PM

Sounds like Hicks is front-runner for the starting CF job.

I'm not excited about this for several reasons; however, the options are probably slim.

Was the last successful player called up from AA by the Twins Joe Mauer?

Edit: Here's a copy of the Tweet:


[COLOR=#333333][FONT=Helvetica Neue]Brian Murphy ‏@murphPPress[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#333333][FONT=Helvetica Neue]Twins GM says Aaron Hicks leading candidate to secure CF job in camp and leapfrog AAA[/FONT][/COLOR]

Edited by Alex, 25 January 2013 - 02:41 PM.


#2 mnfanforlife

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:02 PM

Uh...I think it's clear that Mastro is the favorite, at least to begin the season.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:18 PM

Sounds like Hicks is front-runner for the starting CF job.

I'm not excited about this for several reasons; however, the options are probably slim.

Was the last successful player called up from AA by the Twins Joe Mauer?


Source?

#4 mnfanforlife

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:22 PM

If we wait a while by starting Mastro we keep player control for one more year, right? Is it May 7th that we have to wait for?

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:39 PM

Source?



[COLOR=#333333][FONT=Helvetica Neue]Brian Murphy ‏@murphPPress[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#333333][FONT=Helvetica Neue]Twins GM says Aaron Hicks leading candidate to secure CF job in camp and leapfrog AAA[/FONT][/COLOR]

Edited by Alex, 25 January 2013 - 02:41 PM.


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:39 PM

It only requires a couple of weeks in the minors, so middle of April.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:42 PM

Uh...I think it's clear that Mastro is the favorite, at least to begin the season.


My fault for not including the tweet originally. I assumed it would be more universal information, especially as Nick Nelson retweeted it later.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:42 PM

[COLOR=#333333][FONT=Helvetica Neue]Brian Murphy ‏@murphPPress[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#333333][FONT=Helvetica Neue]Twins GM says Aaron Hicks leading candidate to secure CF job in camp and leapfrog AAA[/FONT][/COLOR]


Thank you

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:43 PM

Why is everyone so against this? I get the whole service time issue but people need to relax, if Hicks really is the real deal it is highly likely the Twins will lock him up years before he ever hits free agency anyways.

If Hicks has a good spring training and earns the job you give him the job, if he struggles, then send him down for a bit, if he kicks ass then it's a great "problem" to have in regards to service time. I'd prefer the youngsters get as many at-bats this year against ML pitching so we can go into 2014 as strong as possible.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:44 PM

Why is everyone so against this? I get the whole service time issue but people need to relax, if Hicks really is the real deal it is highly likely the Twins will lock him up years before he ever hits free agency anyways.

If Hicks has a good spring training and earns the job you give him the job, if he struggles, then send him down for a bit, if he kicks ass then it's a great "problem" to have in regards to service time. I'd prefer the youngsters get as many at-bats this year against ML pitching so we can go into 2014 as strong as possible.


Who is saying they're against it?

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:21 PM

Why is everyone so against this? I get the whole service time issue but people need to relax, if Hicks really is the real deal it is highly likely the Twins will lock him up years before he ever hits free agency anyways.

If Hicks has a good spring training and earns the job you give him the job, if he struggles, then send him down for a bit, if he kicks ass then it's a great "problem" to have in regards to service time. I'd prefer the youngsters get as many at-bats this year against ML pitching so we can go into 2014 as strong as possible.



I just don't see the reason to call him up to start. I always like to see a player force the move rather than organization force the move. I also think if a player isn't really ready for the majors time up is mostly wasted.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:28 PM

Worry for me is his plate discipline. If he can show that he can lay off the low and outside slider and the high fastball in spring training, then maybe he's ready.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:33 PM

[COLOR=#333333][FONT=Helvetica Neue]Brian Murphy ‏@murphPPress[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#333333][FONT=Helvetica Neue]Twins GM says Aaron Hicks leading candidate to secure CF job in camp and leapfrog AAA[/FONT][/COLOR]


A week from now Ryan will have a totally contradictory quote. Something like: Twins GM looking for exprienced vet to man CF to start the season # foot in mouth

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:36 PM

I just don't see the reason to call him up to start. I always like to see a player force the move rather than organization force the move. I also think if a player isn't really ready for the majors time up is mostly wasted.


I'm with this. Hick's history has been as a slow-adjuster before he demonstrates mastery at a particular level. Even if he meaninglessly has a ST line of .450/.550/.950 there's absolutely no harm in waiting a couple weeks or even a tad bit longer, and plenty to gain in service time and confidence- and competence-raising. Once he's called up, I'd like to see it as a permanent move with no possibility for a return trip back for more "seasoning", like last year's fiasco with Dozier.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:38 PM

I just don't see the reason to call him up to start. I always like to see a player force the move rather than organization force the move. I also think if a player isn't really ready for the majors time up is mostly wasted.


Hunter would have been waiting a long time...In three of Hicks' five full seasons in the minors, he had OPS of at least .829. Hunter never had a full season in the minors with an OPS in the '800s. Hicks is a former first rounder, #14 overall, with 5 seasons in the minors. Time to take of the damn kid gloves already

Edited by ThePuck, 25 January 2013 - 03:46 PM.


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:39 PM

A week from now Ryan will have a totally contradictory quote. Something like: Twins GM looking for exprienced vet to man CF to start the season # foot in mouth


Beat me to it, if someone took every one of Ryan's quotes to the bank, just since September, they would have been flat-broke by the Spring Opener.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:40 PM

Hunter would have been waiting a long time...In three of Hicks' five full seasons in the minors, he had OPS of at least .829. Hunter never had a season in the minors with an OPS in the '800s. Hicks is a former first rounder, #14 overall, with 5 seasons in the minors. Time to take of the damn kid gloves already


With that much invested in him, I would think kid gloves would be mandatory.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:42 PM

Worry for me is his plate discipline. If he can show that he can lay off the low and outside slider and the high fastball in spring training, then maybe he's ready.


ST is practically predictively meaningless as the "final determinant" for promotion or not.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:43 PM

With that much invested in him, I would think kid gloves would be mandatory.


I think it's the other way around...if he was good enough to draft that high, it shouldn't take him 6, 7 years to make the show. The kid has never had an OBP below .353 in any pro season. He's a plus defender. It's time.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:43 PM

ST is practically predictively meaningless as the "final determinant" for promotion or not.


Ours for sure.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:44 PM

Worry for me is his plate discipline. If he can show that he can lay off the low and outside slider and the high fastball in spring training, then maybe he's ready.



Sounding more and more like Hunter...

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:45 PM

The only thing most people are arguing is, whether or not it makes sense to give away a year of service time for a couple of extra weeks with the big club, in a season that is going nowhere fast. Why is this so crazy?

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:47 PM

The only thing most people are arguing is, whether or not it makes sense to give away a year of service time for a couple of extra weeks with the big club, in a season that is going nowhere fast. Why is this so crazy?


That's the argument that makes sense...

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 04:00 PM

I'd prefer to wait, not only because of service time but because Hicks has been a slow starter in the past. I'm not convinced this team wouldn't panic if he started with a low BA even if he had a strong OBP. I have a feeling they don't put as much weight in the latter of the two stats.

Edited by nicksaviking, 25 January 2013 - 04:03 PM.


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 04:08 PM

I may be in the minority but I really hope Benson wins the job out of ST. It would create another trade chip at some point if he can succeed and since this seems to be his last real chance....

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 04:15 PM

I think it's the other way around...if he was good enough to draft that high, it shouldn't take him 6, 7 years to make the show. The kid has never had an OBP below .353 in any pro season. He's a plus defender. It's time.


The kid gloves treatment that has proven to be a good strategy, for an extra 2 week or possibly a little more time, it won't hurt his long-term value to the team, possibly help him and most definitely, the club, financially---- and--- won't make any difference on his short-term value to the team

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 04:16 PM

Do what's right for Hicks and his development into a cornerstone of the franchise. Whatever that is, doesn't matter about service time, do it. I trust the Twins on assessing their prospect readiness, it's one of their strongest qualities as an organization.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 04:16 PM

Hunter would have been waiting a long time...In three of Hicks' five full seasons in the minors, he had OPS of at least .829. Hunter never had a full season in the minors with an OPS in the '800s. Hicks is a former first rounder, #14 overall, with 5 seasons in the minors. Time to take of the damn kid gloves already


Interesting comparison.

In AAA at 22 Hunter posted an .891 OPS in around 100 AB. Hunters's first two seasons were not impressive in the majors. His third season he crushed the ball and but still posted an OPS below .800 thanks to poor plate discipline and had an OPS + of 80. It's hard to say what would have happened with more seasoning, but the Twins certainly didn't get much out of his first three seasons.

Also, it's a minor point but one of Hick's season's above .800 was 45 games in the rookie league.

Look I'm not saying keep him down for the whole season, and if they start him I certainly hope he does well but some PAs in AAA wouldn't hurt, for multiple reasons.

Edited by Alex, 25 January 2013 - 04:22 PM.


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 04:19 PM

Do what's right for Hicks and his development into a cornerstone of the franchise. Whatever that is, doesn't matter about service time, do it. I trust the Twins on assessing their prospect readiness, it's one of their strongest qualities as an organization.



I don't know. Their assessment of Dozier's readiness and putting Parmelee on the roster to start the season last year didn't work out that well.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 04:19 PM

Interesting comparison.

In AAA at 22 Hunter posted an .891 OPS in around 100 AB. Hunters's first two seasons were not impressive in the majors. His third season he crushed the ball and but still posted an OPS below .800 thanks to poor plate discipline and had an OPS + of 80. It's hard to say what would have happened with more seasoning, but the Twins certainly didn't get much out of his first three seasons.

Look I'm not saying keep him down for the whole season, and if they start him I certainly hope he does well but some PAs in AAA wouldn't hurt, for multiple reasons.


This. This is not so hard, people.