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#1 jcphitman

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 11:01 AM

My apologies if this was already posted by someone else. I didn't see a topic dedicated to Jurrjens, so I figured I may as well post thoughts and get the discussion started.

Bottom line: Do we take a chance on him and how much do we pay him?

Positives:
-26 years old (27 in Jan)
-Had success prior to 2012 and was selected to 2011 AS Game.
-Young enough to possibly "get fixed" and improve his game.
-Probably won't sign a big money deal anywhere and could be a trade chip if/when we aren't contending by trade deadline.
-Low risk/high reward type of signing.

Negatives:
-Really bad 2012.
-Lost velocity
-Braves non-tendered him for a reason. Some think they did it sooner than they should have (wasn't he guaranteed 5.5 million?? Sounds ok enough to take a risk on him for 2013, but they cut him for a reason ... should be a warning to the rest of the league).
-Scott Boras client.
-A lot of fans from other teams are interested in their teams signing him. Will drive up bidding from other teams and possibly put the Twins out of it right away (especially with Boras as his agent).

What do people think would be a fair contract for Jurrjens? Would he be open to a one year make good contract with a lot of incentives? I doubt it with many teams interested. It only takes one team to offer him something insane. I have a feeling he'll get a multi-year deal. Maybe he'll even get an offer better than what the Braves would have been able to sign him for?

I'm guessing he goes 1 year at 5 million with some sort of option for 7-8 million for 2014.

The Twins could take the risk needing so many starters. He's an interesting name. They just need out-bid other teams and be confident he can be fixed, which I doubt will happen with Rick Anderson as the pitching coach. We'll probably see him sign elsewhere, but it's still a fun topic to discuss.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 12:03 PM

There's a post on this already that's less than a week old..
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Posted 02 December 2012 - 12:22 PM

I feel at this point the 2 top pitching targets for Minnesota are Myers and Jurrgens. I cant wait till we get at least one pitcher signed and out of the way.

#4 minn55441

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 12:36 PM

It would be nice getting a least one starting pitcher that was thrown to the curb by another team. I'm all for giving guys a second chance but I don't think we should use them to build the foundation of our pitching staff. Sign a few of these guys at 6th or 7th options, just in case we have an injury or one of these guys recaptures past success, but not as one of the 5 opening day starters.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 12:46 PM

He'll get his shot... problem is that he was never a big K guy to begin with and seems to have gone downhill. The Braves thought he was too expensive to offer more arb... I'm guessing he gets 1yr 3M at best.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 01:39 PM

His required salary was $4.4M in arbitration at maximum decrease. He wasn't worth that for sure.
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#7 Seth Stohs

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 01:55 PM

I love reclamation projects, if the price is right... give him $2-3 million base, throw in a couple of incentives... I'd love an option... absolutely!

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 09:28 PM

I felt like re-visiting this thread today. Just read somewhere on a Mets blog that Saunders wants three years and is sitting on a few two year offers hoping a third will come (the blog also said Santana was done after this year with the Mets as they won't re-sign him ... has it been that long since the trade already???).

The blog linked to an article of the Mets giving Jurrjens a shot. My question is why haven't the Twins been more involved in signing this guy? He was awful last year, but his career ERA is still 3.62 (or around that ... going from memory here). He's 26 years old and has a chance to figure it out. Why not toss a couple million his way for one year? As we get into later in the month, he'll probably even be cheaper.

I have no idea why we haven't heard more Jurrjens to the Twins hype? If they won't go three years for Saunders or give Marcum what he wants, why not go for youth with at least a chance of fixing things?

What am I missing here? It seems like no team is going after Jurrjens ...if we give Harden a chance, why not Jurrjens?

#9 old nurse

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:25 PM

If Jurrgens' loss of velocity is due to a medical one that would be your answer why no one has signed him. There are no reports out there that I can find.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 04:43 AM

Do not want anything to do with Jurrgens. Has good years and bad years, loss of velocity is a red flag.

#11 Seth Stohs

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 11:52 AM

I was told by someone closer to the Jurrjens camp that he would likely sign immediately if offered 1 year, $3 Million MLB contract. Not sure he'd get that at this point in the offseason, but he's got the right agent to get it.

#12 Rosterman

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:10 PM

Saunders wants that third year, guaranteed. Jair will get a minor league contract and invite, and probably have to settle for $1 milllion or so in the end. Hey, Capps and Rauch and LaTroy are still out there looking for work. And what does the future hold for Johan Santana!
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#13 Seth Stohs

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:16 PM

And what does the future hold for Johan Santana!


Well, he's owed $31 million in 2013 ($25.5 million salary with a $25 million option for 2014 with a $5.5 million buyout).

#14 DelawareTwinsFan

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:55 PM

Not to have fun at someone elses expense, but you've got to love a team overspend on old talent and now pay for it by hanging on to a back end of the rotation guy and pay him ace money. We still can't quite have the last laugh since we passed on Boston's deals in which any of the following Lester, Ellsbury, Masterson or Lowry would have been better than Guerra, Gomez, Humber and the other guy.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 10:19 PM

Per mlbtr. Orioles for $1.5M with incentives up to $4M. Uhhhhhhhhhhh

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 11:08 PM

Per mlbtr. Orioles for $1.5M with incentives up to $4M. Uhhhhhhhhhhh


Another one bites the dust. Last spec-upside guy left available is Dallas Braden. When's the Brandon Webb audition?

#17 jokin

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 11:09 PM

Saunders wants that third year, guaranteed. Jair will get a minor league contract and invite, and probably have to settle for $1 milllion or so in the end. Hey, Capps and Rauch and LaTroy are still out there looking for work. And what does the future hold for Johan Santana!


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#18 70charger

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 11:20 PM

I'm disappointed in this too. On the other Jair Jurrjens thread, I said that he had quite the potential and the history to be a great reclamation project. I would have loved to have picked him up. Oh well.

#19 Nick Nelson

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 12:02 AM

Meh.

#20 edavis0308

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:10 AM

Meh.


I do agree this one is more meh for me too, but what the hell? Did the guy have next to no interest out there?

#21 SpiritofVodkaDave

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 09:48 AM

I'd much rather have Pelfrey then Jurrjens, best case scenario is that JJ is a decent #5 this year, we have plenty of those.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:45 AM

Besides the fact that his base contract is 15% of Correia's, I could care less. All these soft tossers are starting to look the same to me. Mark me down for a Meh vote too.

#23 Mark_RM

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:27 PM

ESPN is reporting the Jair Jurrjens just agreed to a deal with Baltimore, 1 year for $1.5 million plus incentives Report -- Jair Jurrjens, Baltimore Orioles reach 1-year, $1.5M deal - ESPN. It doesn't seem like a bad roll of the dice on a guy that is 1 year removed from a season of 2.96 ERA, 152 IP, and 1.22 WHIP.

#24 snepp

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:31 PM

http://twinsdaily.co...r-jurrjens.html

#25 Nick Nelson

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:55 PM

I do agree this one is more meh for me too, but what the hell? Did the guy have next to no interest out there?

Given that he was pretty crummy even in Triple-A last year and his velocity has continually declined throughout his career, it isn't hard to see why.

#26 John Bonnes

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:14 PM

I wonder if this makes it more likely that Joe Saunders comes to the Twins?

#27 rickyriolo

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:27 PM

Carl Pavano just ruptured his spleen shoveling snow in his driveway in Vermont...TR should jump on that one. Another injured pitcher for $3 M --poof another starter for this year....this GM stuff is just too easy

#28 edavis0308

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:53 PM

http://twinsdaily.co...r-jurrjens.html


Wait what?

#29 snepp

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:15 PM

Wait what?


What?

#30 Badsmerf

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:33 PM

Why are we sending Jair to Baltimore?
Do or do not. There is no try.