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#1 mnfanforlife

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 11:34 AM

Okay people...you have my top-20 prospects. Now, tell me what I did wrong.

Top-10 list ...and... 11-20 list.

These are projections for current prospects that will remain under "prospect status" for the start of 2014.

Please and thank you.

#2 PseudoSABR

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:54 PM

These are projections for current prospects that will remain under "prospect status" for the start of 2014..

Why take that route? Arcia or Hicks may not lose their prospect status this year.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:58 PM

True, but there's an equal chance that both lose their prospect status next year, in my mind. Plus, it allows me to PROJECT what moves will be made, and then refer back to these posts to see how I did. Lots of thinking involved, but I am happy to explain my reasoning for any drop or add to the list.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 06:41 PM

First off - Chris Colabello is not a prospect. he's 29 already and will be lucky to make it as a bench player.

I really don't understand the benefit of a doing a prospect list for the following season. If you think Rosario will be ranked higher after this season then you should also think he is a better prospect now. And imo there is no reason eliminate guys like Hicks, Arcia and Gibson for the sake of doing a 2014 list. Do a 2013 list.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 07:25 PM

Harrison didn't play in 2011 because of different rules regarding drafted players. Most draftees drafted before 2012 didn't sign until Aug 15th and weren't able to play in the minor league season because of it. This was true of almost all 1st rd picks. The new CBA moved the deadline up to July 15th and also encouraged picks to sign earlier. The strange thing is that a lot of people were complaining about the new CBA at the time and missed this HUGE improvement which allows teams to get these players into rk ball a year earlier.

#6 mnfanforlife

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 07:27 PM

First off - Chris Colabello is not a prospect. he's 29 already and will be lucky to make it as a bench player.


I had to include Colabello for the reasons listed in my article. He is "on the cusp" by being in AA last year, and most of my list is guys that were in A+ or lower last year. So he was a perfect fit at 20, and I am hoping we make some trades to get him a shot while we wait for Sano or Harrison or Vargas to take over at 1B in 2015 or whatever.

Sooooo, he is a prospect, with a shot to be a 30-31-yr-old rookie in Minnesota. Or is there an age limit to being a baseball prospect?

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 07:30 PM

Harrison didn't play in 2011 because of different rules regarding drafted players. Most draftees drafted before 2012 didn't sign until Aug 15th and weren't able to play in the minor league season because of it. This was true of almost all 1st rd picks. The new CBA moved the deadline up to July 15th and also encouraged picks to sign earlier. The strange thing is that a lot of people were complaining about the new CBA at the time and missed this HUGE improvement which allows teams to get these players into rk ball a year earlier.


I would have to agree with those that think it is a big improvement to sign early rather than skipping out on rookie ball because of contract negotiations.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 12:03 AM

Sooooo, he is a prospect, with a shot to be a 30-31-yr-old rookie in Minnesota. Or is there an age limit to being a baseball prospect?

Do you understand how development of the human body works. Almost exclusively, 29 year old AA players don't have enough room for improvement (potential) to ever be consider a 'prospect.' The word prospect means that there's room for development.

Please don't be stubborn on this point. It's just silly.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 12:19 PM

Do you understand how development of the human body works. Almost exclusively, 29 year old AA players don't have enough room for improvement (potential) to ever be consider a 'prospect.' The word prospect means that there's room for development.

Please don't be stubborn on this point. It's just silly.


Umm...the word prospect is defined here: Prospect | Define Prospect at Dictionary.com

All five of these defintions apply to Colabello. His production at AA last year means he is a likely candidate for advancement. Even advancement to Minnesota eventually. Maybe you have a certain AGE where you want to draw the line between being a "baseball prospect" and not?

But, in my opinion, age does not matter if the production is quality.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 03:41 PM

Age doesn't matter in terms of developing potential? Oh boy.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 04:25 PM

Umm...the word prospect is defined here: Prospect | Define Prospect at Dictionary.com


I wonder if this is the kind of conversation Kevin Slowey had with Ron Gardenhire between innings.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 07:08 PM

But, in my opinion, age does not matter if the production is quality.

Sonofabitch... he actually works for the Twins.

#13 mnfanforlife

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 11:13 PM

Colabello is a legit prospect. Others seems to think so too. His trade value is nothing so he's not a very highly ranked one, but still a legitimate prospect with his production in AA...

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 11:14 PM

Wow

#15 mnfanforlife

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 11:15 PM

Age doesn't matter in terms of developing potential? Oh boy.


No. Age does NOT matter when determining if a person is a "likely candidate for advancement" or THE VERBATIM DEFINITION of the word "prospect"

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 11:17 PM

Wow


What, we got another baseball genius on here that wants to diss Colabello?

#17 mnfanforlife

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 11:22 PM

Age doesn't matter in terms of developing potential? Oh boy.


Where did you get this anyway? I never posted anything remotely close to "age doesn't matter in terms of developing potential" Maybe it was a thought you had? Because I never posted anything like that.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:02 AM

What, we got another baseball genius on here that wants to diss Colabello?

Dude its so off base its not worth giving a long response to sigh...I miss BYTO due to threads like this.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:16 AM

Good god. I don't understand the tone and animosity for daring to list Colabello as a prospect. Regardless of age, he is fresh into professional baseball and can be labelled a prospect if one wants to do so. I have done it. Now, I probably wouldn't do it for 2014, but hopefully that is merely because he is with the Twins. The tone here is just weird. It's perfectly legitimate to consider even a 29-year-old a prospect if he is new to professional ball and can GET BETTER as the result of professional baseball experience. It isn't like we are talking about someone clinging to professional baseball's minor leagues for ten years.

And Colabello should be on the 25-man roster, damn it. Why on earth not?

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:30 AM

Where does Roy Hobbs rank on current prospect lists?