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[Brock Beauchamp]

 

So the players get the DH andadd more salary for older players..... and the owners get what? Sorry... give and take is what it is all about... You are right that the time would be the upcoming CBA... do the players want to wait until after the season or are they willing to give something up now? I believe the players will see the long-term advantage and give something.... or wait until after the season... and negotiate the next CBA... and give something..... 

Except the owners are the ones dallying with a rule change at all... in the middle of a pandemic with loads of uncertainty. 

 

Oh, and let's not forget that they *also* haven't established a playoff format, roster size, or a host of other important things... and we're all of six weeks from pitchers and catchers reporting.

 

I really don't understand how anyone could look at this situation and be angry at anyone other than the owners. This entire mess is their fault because they had two legitimate options that wouldn't damage the game as teams prepare for a season:

 

1. Don't do anything, wait until next offseason's CBA negotiations

2. Declare rule changes promptly and, for the love of god, don't try to bargain for that pound of flesh from the MLBPA into January and February

 

Instead, we're getting... this. Again. Just like last season when I think first pitch of the season had already taken place when MLB announced postseason expansion.

 

I mean, come on. Who defends this garbage?

[denarded]

 

 

Again, if the owners want to use the DH as a negotiating chip, the time and place to do that is the upcoming CBA negotiations, not the middle of some random offseason.

 

Thank you, Brock. That was the point I was trying to make in this post.

[TheLeviathan]

 

An on-field product that people want to pay to watch.

 

Plus protecting 200M assets they pay to pitch, not hit and run.

[specialiststeve]

 

An on-field product that people want to pay to watch.

 

It is always about money guys... not trying to "defend" anyone as both sides are accountable. Want the DH? Players give something back... give and take... that is how this works. This is not anything new. 

 

 

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

It is always about money guys... not trying to "defend" anyone as both sides are accountable. Want the DH? Players give something back... give and take... that is how this works. This is not anything new. 

In case you missed my previous post that's literally five-ish posts above this:

 

"I really don't understand how anyone could look at this situation and be angry at anyone other than the owners. This entire mess is their fault because they had two legitimate options that wouldn't damage the game as teams prepare for a season:

 

1. Don't do anything, wait until next offseason's CBA negotiations

2. Declare rule changes promptly and, for the love of god, don't try to bargain for that pound of flesh from the MLBPA into January and February"

[specialiststeve]

 

In case you missed my previous post that's literally five-ish posts above this:

 

"I really don't understand how anyone could look at this situation and be angry at anyone other than the owners. This entire mess is their fault because they had two legitimate options that wouldn't damage the game as teams prepare for a season:

 

1. Don't do anything, wait until next offseason's CBA negotiations

2. Declare rule changes promptly and, for the love of god, don't try to bargain for that pound of flesh from the MLBPA into January and February"

 

If # 1 is juststating that there will be no DH this year and will be negotiated at the next CBA.. that is what I have been saying... or if players want it now will have to give something back now... Not rocket science it is just business negotiations...  

 

Not sure why it all on the owners though.... players union has their part.... All they have to say is we will wait until the CBA and it is all done..... or say we are willing to do ____________...... that is it. Again both parties are liable in the situation. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

If # 1 is juststating that there will be no DH this year and will be negotiated at the next CBA.. that is what I have been saying... or if players want it now will have to give something back now... Not rocket science it is just business negotiations...  

 

Not sure why it all on the owners though.... players union has their part.... All they have to say is we will wait until the CBA and it is all done..... or say we are willing to do ____________...... that is it. Again both parties are liable in the situation. 

Both parties do not share equal liability, as the MLBPA has no power to instigate a rules change outside of negotiating it into the CBA. Only owners (MLB) have the ability to propose a rules change.

[specialiststeve]

 

Both parties do not share equal liability, as the MLBPA has no power to instigate a rules change outside of negotiating it into the CBA. Only owners (MLB) have the ability to propose a rules change.

According to Bob Nightengale of USA Today, MLB commissioner Rob Manfred informed clubs on a conference call Monday that they "should be preparing for spring training to start on time in February and to plan on a full 162-game season being played."
Major League Baseball and its 30 ownership groups had been hoping to delay the start of the 2021 season to allow more time for players, personnel, and fans to be vaccinated, but the MLBPA has roundly rejected any new discussions about additional pay cuts that would come along with another shortened schedule. Maybe this conference call will spur a little more movement on the free agent market, as about 88 percent of available free agents remain unsigned with just over a month to go until the opening of camps in Florida and Arizona.

SOURCE: USA Today

 

 

Ding... ding... there is your bargaining issue... players give up a bit of the season so owners save some money and the DH arrives.... quit pro quo.... 

[tony&rodney]

We all get that MLB wants the players to back off from the cba as currently devised, but the fact remains that at this time baseball (commish/owners) is playing with the integrity of the game. 

Teams cannot build their rosters until there is clarity on the rules. This affects roster construction and the players' preparation. Does every team go to the playoffs, do we play high school rules again for a full season, and so on. MLBPA needs to demand two full years notice of changes to the game before rule changes appear in their next cba. Until the playing rules are set for the entire year, teams will be dangling and hedging on their decisions. Pinch runners and re-entry in every inning - better sign a track star and so on. Of course, that is ridiculous but so are the other amateur hour changes.

I'm fine with rule changes if they are put in place twenty-four months preceding an opening day. This allows for owners, management, and players to adjust and hopefully place the best product on the field.

I listened to the first Twins game and have followed baseball way too intently my entire life, but I'm quite frustrated by the angling with rules currently on display. My opinion is that this adversely affects the quality of play and turns fans off. I can sit in my chair or boat with the radio off too. Town ball becomes a more appealing option as well.