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#1 Twodogs

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Posted 23 October 2020 - 03:37 PM

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Posted 23 October 2020 - 03:51 PM

Give it to him without blinking an eye.He is a fun player to watch.

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Posted 23 October 2020 - 06:24 PM

As I said in another thread, at Cruz' age he could fall off the cliff at any moment. Giving someone his age a two-year contract doesn't sound smart. However, he's not a typical 40-year-old. He had a very, very good 60 games. Is he truly the best option available? I just don't know.

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Posted 23 October 2020 - 06:27 PM

Nope. I'd offer a lucrative 1 + option but not two years guaranteed.

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Posted 23 October 2020 - 07:14 PM

Nope. I'd offer a lucrative 1 + option but not two years guaranteed.


For me it depends, if he is one of those guys that you want to keep in your organization after his playing days are over; you know to be a coach or PR, or in the front office somewhere then I'd give him the 2 year deal. If your not interested in keeping him around after he's done playing then no.
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Posted 23 October 2020 - 07:40 PM

Sorry, been nice to know you. 


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Posted 23 October 2020 - 07:58 PM

Little confused here. Cruz wants 2yrs...who wouldn't?...but MLB just stated the NL will return to normal status for 2021 as of now. Soooo...unless there is a sudden decision made the other way, Cruz now only has half a league to play in or play financially. And I'm betting half those teams already have a DH in place or a plan. 

 

I don't blame Cruz for looking at financial opportunity. I never blame anyone for that. But reality sets in at some point. He loves being a Twin. He made good $ the past 2yrs. He's embraced here by the fans, his teammates and the entire organization. His opportunities are going to be limited. He doesnt have much time left.And I don't believe the market is going to grant him another big $14-15M payday per. I would expect $12-13 and the Twins being the best option for both parties. Yes, I think a 2nd yr and buyout might be in line. But also at a reduced salary. Unfortunately for everyone, there are strange and unknown financial repercussionstaking place. Cruz staying HOME with the Twins makes the most sense for everyone.

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Posted 23 October 2020 - 11:55 PM

I'm sure it's already been discussed and I just haven't seen it, but is it possible to offer Cruz a QO?

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Posted 24 October 2020 - 06:58 AM

As usual, Doc Bauer nailed.I concur.He's our best hitter.it's not even close.We MUST have him.But the market isn't going to get him $15 million.The Twins and Cruz will come to some sort of arrangement and Nellie Boomstick will be back.I'd be very interested in having him as a future hitting coach.He's going to need more rest going forward to get the most out of him, which seems counter-intuitive and tough on the Twins as much as they will be depending on him in their lineup.But with guys like Kiriloff, Rooker and Larnach the Twins should be able to keep Nellie rested and productive for certainly one more year and possibly two.  


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Posted 24 October 2020 - 07:26 AM

I'm sure it's already been discussed and I just haven't seen it, but is it possible to offer Cruz a QO?


No, he already got it two times back when when a player could still receive the QO twice. Can't offer it to him a third time.

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Posted 24 October 2020 - 08:40 AM

I`d give him the 2 yrs., . the salary would have to be negotiated of course. He`s our best hitter, a great mentor, we`d like for him to stay & coach for us when he wants to retire & I hate for him to end up in CWS.Like what was said that the universal DH will not happen in 2021 & covid scare where we should get a good price. 2022 if we don`t need him, we can always trade him when maybe his stock could even be higher


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Posted 24 October 2020 - 09:32 AM

Spoiler Alert - this post was made in jest.

If the Twins don't trade Sano this off-season, resign Cruz to a two-year deal with the second year salary contingent on Sano meeting specified hitting goals such as a strikeout rate under 40% and a batting average equal to at least 90% of his weight. If the goals aren't met, Cruz' salary in year 2 is cut in half.
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Posted 24 October 2020 - 02:17 PM

 

As I said in another thread, at Cruz' age he could fall off the cliff at any moment. Giving someone his age a two-year contract doesn't sound smart. However, he's not a typical 40-year-old. He had a very, very good 60 games. Is he truly the best option available? I just don't know.

Is there much evidence of players who have played DH for a few years "falling off a cliff"?  

For Cruz, it's not so much about 2 years, it's about the money. If the first year is $12M and the second is $8M-$10M, I think you take that without hesitation.


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Posted 24 October 2020 - 02:20 PM

 

As usual, Doc Bauer nailed.I concur.He's our best hitter.it's not even close.We MUST have him.But the market isn't going to get him $15 million.  

 

I doubt he will ask for $15M. He made $14M in 2019 and was due to get $12M last year before proration. I can see him taking $20M for two years, split up however the Twins want. 

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Posted 24 October 2020 - 02:31 PM

Well, Cruz was the best hitter, perhaps in the AL, for the first 30 games. He was pretty ordinary in the second half of the abbreviated season. From 8/25 on (the last 30 games) until the end of the regular season he hit .256 only five homers and six RBI with 29 strikeouts.

He has been a great hitter for a decade, but he’ll be 41 for half of the 2021 season. I’m just not sure he can continue to be great much longer.
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Posted 24 October 2020 - 02:48 PM

 

Is there much evidence of players who have played DH for a few years "falling off a cliff"?  

For Cruz, it's not so much about 2 years, it's about the money. If the first year is $12M and the second is $8M-$10M, I think you take that without hesitation.

It happens all the time, though "falling off a cliff" is a bit drastic. Look at Thome, who went from well above league average with the bat to slightly above league average in a season. He immediately retired but had he not, it's likely he follows up that season as a pretty bad DH option. Once someone hits 40, it's really hard to judge how they're going to age season-over-season.

 

edit: It just occurred to me to check Thome's splits in his final season and he was a pretty bad hitter that season. He posted a 112 OPS+, which is pretty weak for a DH/PH. 

 

But the real story is his handed splits. He had 186 PAs that season and only 30 PAs came against LHP. That means he was a hitting specialist who very rarely didn't have the handedness advantage, yet still barely posted an OPS above league average.

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Posted 24 October 2020 - 07:52 PM

This is a case where we must trust Falvine to make the right decision.We won't know the answer until the 2021 season is over.Good luck to them.:)


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Posted 24 October 2020 - 08:14 PM

This should be a no-brainer. Period!


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Posted 25 October 2020 - 06:20 AM

 

Is there much evidence of players who have played DH for a few years "falling off a cliff"?  

For Cruz, it's not so much about 2 years, it's about the money. If the first year is $12M and the second is $8M-$10M, I think you take that without hesitation.

 

 

It happens all the time, though "falling off a cliff" is a bit drastic. Look at Thome, who went from well above league average with the bat to slightly above league average in a season. He immediately retired but had he not, it's likely he follows up that season as a pretty bad DH option. Once someone hits 40, it's really hard to judge how they're going to age season-over-season.

 

edit: It just occurred to me to check Thome's splits in his final season and he was a pretty bad hitter that season. He posted a 112 OPS+, which is pretty weak for a DH/PH. 

 

But the real story is his handed splits. He had 186 PAs that season and only 30 PAs came against LHP. That means he was a hitting specialist who very rarely didn't have the handedness advantage, yet still barely posted an OPS above league average.

There is also the ghost of Albert Pujols, although his cliff came at a much earlier age.

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Posted 25 October 2020 - 10:43 AM

 

This should be a no-brainer. Period!

What's funny about this post is I am not even sure what side you are taking. No brainer to sign him to two years or no brainer not to sign him for two years, seeing how the board is pretty split on the subject the fact that you say it is a no brainer without declaring a side kind of by definition makes it the opposite of a no brainer.Remember extensions to Thome, Willingham, Hughes, Dozier, etc were all considered no brainers at one point.If Cruz had put those numbers up for someone else at that age and was asking for two years I would say it was a no brainer to turn him down.The fact that he did it for us I would have no problem with overpaying him for one season with an option. 

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