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#21 mikelink45

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Posted 19 October 2020 - 08:31 PM

 

Jeffers was a very nice surprise. I wouldn’t get too down on Garver. Garver did look bad at times this year, but I’ll bet he’s the type of player who really benefits from a full spring training to work on his skills and swings. Next year he’ll have that again.

This would read better if you did not use the qualifier - "at times"

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#22 DocBauer

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Posted 19 October 2020 - 08:37 PM

"We’ve already seen him play in pressure situations- the Twins should take their time in grooming the young star."
And what did we see in those pressure situations that make us think he needs "grooming time?"
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The Twins had Telis at Rochester in 2019. He produced. They brought him in for the taxi squad. They carried him on the road for emergency. He has MLB experience. But they chose Jeffers when injury hit. That should be all that needs to be said. SSS or not, he looked good and the Twins like him a TON.

I'd still like a AAAA catcher available. Not sure who that might be. Again, maybe Avilla with an invite and holding on. Maybe someone else. Despite some some bad games here and there, some poor performances at the plate mixed with some good ones, I'm OK with Astudillo as one of the options, though I'm not sure he's on the 40 man going forward. Healthy, head in the game, he HAS played at least OK defense and hit. But I would like that extra option for depth and experience available since Rortvedt is going to be at least a year away.
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#23 Joey Self

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Posted 20 October 2020 - 10:24 AM

 

His 62 plate appearances is what makes us think he needs "grooming time." He did quite well in his first taste of the bigs, no doubt. Above and beyond expectations for sure. To expect him to do that for 120+ games now that the league has tape on him would be poor team management.

 

So, it wasn't anything we saw, it's what we think we'll see. 

And I'm not arguing with you, I just didn't see anything to put my finger on that said "this guy isn't fully ready." I agree that teams will have better scouting reports--any number of rookies have faced that problem--but Jeffers will also (presumably) have another spring training under his belt to work on whatever OUR scouts are seeing. 

 

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#24 Twinsfan12

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Posted 20 October 2020 - 02:42 PM

I think Jeffers will no doubt stick next season at the big league level. The small sample of his hitting we saw this fall looks very promising, especially for a catcher. However, over the winter and during spring training he needs to work on his catching. Ryan's pitching framing he is ok (I know some say it's great but I'm not sure about that), but blocking and throwing out runners is another story. He's a big guy and his mobility behind the plate is limited, he is not great sliding right or left on errant pitches. Pitches that other catchers block and save end up wild pitches when Jeffers is in there. His pop time looks very slow and his arm is not strong. He almost throws the ball to second with the arch to the trajectory. He only threw out 2 of 16 runners (12.5%) at the MLB level, and his minor league numbers are similar. Teams will figure that out quickly and run on him. Both of these deficient areas can be fixed with time and work. Jeffers bat is more than solid for the position at the MLB level, now he just has to work on the fielding. His future looks bright. 


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Posted 20 October 2020 - 05:55 PM

If the plan is AAAA catchers to back up the duo of Jeffers/Garver, better have several of them.

 

AAAA usually implies "out of minor league options" - that's the way it gets learned he's better than AAA but not quite good enough for the majors.

 

When you need to bring one up for a while (10-day injury perhaps) and then send him back down, if he's any good he won't pass through waivers - some other team with a temporary need will grab him.

 

The only ones you'll be able to hang on to, in this scenario, are the ones no one else wants either.They can suffice during a short crunch, but can't really be your Plan B if you can help it.

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#26 chpettit19

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Posted Yesterday, 07:19 AM

 

So, it wasn't anything we saw, it's what we think we'll see. 

And I'm not arguing with you, I just didn't see anything to put my finger on that said "this guy isn't fully ready." I agree that teams will have better scouting reports--any number of rookies have faced that problem--but Jeffers will also (presumably) have another spring training under his belt to work on whatever OUR scouts are seeing. 

 

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Not even necessarily that we think we'll see it, just that we can't be too confident we won't. I'm with you on him looking like he knew what he was doing and looked very comfortable. The real test for him (and Rooker) will be this season as they see what major league pitchers can do to holes in your swing and how hard life can get. I think they'll both come in prepared and put in the work, but wouldn't want to rely on them for repeats of their above expectation debuts. Think the Twins will find a nice balance of low cost veterans and reliance on young guys this year. Hopefully all the youngsters make the low cost veterans expendable, but we'll see.

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#27 specialiststeve

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Posted Yesterday, 07:55 AM

 

Just roll with Garver and Jeffers...

 

Really don't see the issue here.... Garver and Jeffers both home grown .... quality catchers and cheap. Astudilo at AAA or on the bench as a ulility guy. Next issue....