Jump to content

Providing independent coverage of the Minnesota Twins.
The same great Twins Daily coverage, now for the Vikings.

The Store


Photo

Article: What is Average?

  • Please log in to reply
10 replies to this topic

#1 Seth Stohs

Seth Stohs

    Owner

  • Administrators
  • 7,475 posts

Posted 08 January 2013 - 08:00 AM

You can view the page at http://twinsdaily.co...What-is-Average

#2 notoriousgod71

notoriousgod71

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 1,011 posts

Posted 08 January 2013 - 08:25 AM

OH snap. It seems like we've had this debate before!

#3 ashburyjohn

ashburyjohn

    Twins Moderator

  • Twins Mods
  • 4,740 posts
  • LocationLake Tahoe, Nevada

Posted 08 January 2013 - 11:07 AM

Nice summary - looks like the information is available on places like baseball-reference.com but pulling all the pieces together really aids the understanding, that the strength of the minor league system really is building up from the bottom and will take a while longer to help the parent club.

#4 mike wants wins

mike wants wins

    Would Like to be More Positive

  • Members
  • 6,117 posts

Posted 08 January 2013 - 11:15 AM

Good article, but I prefer median, I think, for a study like this.

#5 Jim Crikket

Jim Crikket

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 1,134 posts

Posted 08 January 2013 - 11:21 AM

I'm curious what the average ages are for the Class A short season leagues, since that's the level that the Twins (and several other teams) don't utilize. It's also interesting to me that the average ages between Elizabethton and Beloit were ~2 years. Not sure what, if anything, that means, but it's interesting.
[COLOR=#0000cd]I opine about the Twins and Kernels regularly at[/COLOR][COLOR=#800000] Knuckleballsblog.com[/COLOR][COLOR=#0000cd] while my alter ego, SD Buhr covers the Kernels for [/COLOR][COLOR=#0000cd][COLOR=#800000]MetroSportsReport.com[/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=#0000cd].[/COLOR] [COLOR=#0000cd]
[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#b22222]~You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant~[/COLOR]

#6 Seth Stohs

Seth Stohs

    Owner

  • Administrators
  • 7,475 posts

Posted 08 January 2013 - 12:27 PM

NY-Penn League - Hitters (21.8), Pitchers (21.2)
Northwest League - Hitters (21.0), Pitchers (21.3)

I would say that fits right between the Appy League and the Midwest League.

#7 gil4

gil4

    Irrational Optimist

  • Members
  • 630 posts

Posted 08 January 2013 - 12:28 PM

It's hard to draw conclusions from this when so many of the players in the minor leagues are just organizational filler, and the ages only really matter for the real prospects. If one team lets some young prospects struggle at AA and adds some filler at high-A, are they really better off than a team that signs a few vets for AA and lets the propects tear up high-A?

I think maybe a breakdown of some measure of production by age at each level would be helpful, but it would be difficult to compile and would be subject to small sample size problems. Maybe a table showing WAR (or some other aggregated stat) by each age group and then the per-team average for league for each age group would tell us something

#8 Paul Pleiss

Paul Pleiss

    Alcohol Infused

  • Members
  • 575 posts

Posted 08 January 2013 - 12:43 PM

Having all of this info in the book is PRIME! I had average age for league numbers penciled into my book along with some other stats, happy to have them in the book to begin with. The prospect handbook continues to evolve into a better and better tool/book.

#9 Seth Stohs

Seth Stohs

    Owner

  • Administrators
  • 7,475 posts

Posted 08 January 2013 - 12:44 PM

Here's a starting point. Jeremy did a ton of work on the rosters and payrolls... http://twinsdaily.co...er-payroll.html

But I try not to get too into any one stat or any one prospect criteria. Have to look at it all together.

I just think that prospects like Sano, Buxton and Arcia are few and far between.

#10 rambis26

rambis26

    Junior Member

  • Members
  • 2 posts

Posted 08 January 2013 - 01:45 PM

How difficult would it be to compile historical averages with the current ones?

#11 Jeremy Nygaard

Jeremy Nygaard

    Twins Database Manager

  • Twins Database Managers
  • 2,133 posts

Posted 08 January 2013 - 07:25 PM

Good resource:

Baseball America | Blog | Baseball America Business Blog | Minor League Business