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#1 cardsfan

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Posted 29 September 2020 - 05:13 AM

Talking baseball history here of the original teams since 1920. No expansion team is above .500 lifetime and that is 60 years of expansion baseball. Someone do the AL rankings since the Twins are one of the original 8. I'm a NLer as the AL dominates in the WS, i.e. the Yankees.

1920 on in the live ball era:

1. Cardinals though "In the regular season the Dodgers" especially since integration. The Cardinals didn't win until they got some HOF black and Hispanic players in the 1960's. 11 WS wins since 1926 and many second place finishes. Why the droughts in the 1950's, 1970's, and 1990's? Ownership as Gussie and son of the beer family had issues at times. Current ownership has had pennant races ever year in the 2000's. The Cards have won the last game of the regular season in a do or go home more than anyone else and several last do or die games in the postseason like the last two WS games in 1982 and 2011. No HOF pitcher since the traded Carlton over $5000 though he agreed on his way to the park, but, trade was already made.

2. The Dodgers won 1 out 9 WS in Brooklyn. The Dodgers are 1-4 when the season was tied after 154 or 162 losing to the Giants in the bottom of the 9th twice. Vin Scully has seen more great baseball history as a non-player or non-coach than any other person. The hapless Dodgers since 1988 have lost the last game of the postseason 12 or 13 times. Dodger pitching is the best in NL since integration. But, how would you like to lose than many postseason series and 1-4 extra regular season series. In 36 years from 1946-1981 the Dodgers lost 4 times after season was tied. And many WS.

3. SF Giants. Until they won 3 WS in 5 years with Madbum they had won just 1 in the previous 77 years or 1933. Moving to SF and playing in an awful park didn't help. .535 lifetime percentage.

4. Cincinnati Reds not great since the Big Red Machine though they won in 1990. Bad ownership. Never great pitching even in the 1970's.

The next 3 are hard though the hapless Braves are 7th and Phillies 8th.

5. Pittsburgh Pirates have won more WS than the Cubs, but, have been doormats mainly since 1979 with a losing record for over 20 years after Bonds left.

6. Chicago Cubs were 2-10 or something like that before winning game 7 after 108 years of no WS titles. The Cubs until recently hadn't won 90 games in consecutive season since the late 1920's. No wonder half of Illinois residents outside Chicago are Cardinals fans.

7. The Braves won 14 pennants in a row though the Expos would have in the strike season of 1994. I can't imagine only winning only one last game of the postseason for those 15 years.

8. When expansion teams have as many WS titles as your team you are bad. The Phillies have had some good teams in the first decade of this century, but, only one title in 40 years. They are the doormats. Ruly Carpenter as owner? Just awful.
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#2 biggentleben

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Posted 05 October 2020 - 07:55 PM

Seriously, man.

 

The "hapless" Braves are over .500 as a franchise and have a World Series title in three different cities.

 

Extended runs of excellence in the mid-1940s through 1960 and 1990s through mid-2000s also had NLCS runs scattered in between in the 1970s and even the 1980s. The team has won the last three division titles and went to the playoffs three of four years from 2010-2013.

 

I also notice that you happen to bring in the rankings "since 1920" when the Cardinals went from a perennial also-ran to a contender. Fairly convenient.

 

Interesting that the org that nearly became the Milwaukee Cardinals holds such a strong pull and causes such comments toward Cubs fans when even while Gibson was on the team, it was nearly sold away from the city.

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Posted 11 October 2020 - 11:10 AM

I wish I could conjure up a way to write about the original AL clubs since 1920 and find justification for ranking the Twins #1. :) However, that would require more imagination than I am capable of.The Cards have had some good teams and some good years. I mourn the loss of Gibson and Brock.This makes me think fondly of Killebrew and thankful that Tony O and Carew are still around.For those of us that love baseball, memories of our hometown heroes will always bring us a smile. God Bless them all.:)

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Posted 12 October 2020 - 08:20 PM

Seriously, man.

The "hapless" Braves are over .500 as a franchise and have a World Series title in three different cities.

Extended runs of excellence in the mid-1940s through 1960 and 1990s through mid-2000s also had NLCS runs scattered in between in the 1970s and even the 1980s. The team has won the last three division titles and went to the playoffs three of four years from 2010-2013.

I also notice that you happen to bring in the rankings "since 1920" when the Cardinals went from a perennial also-ran to a contender. Fairly convenient.

Interesting that the org that nearly became the Milwaukee Cardinals holds such a strong pull and causes such comments toward Cubs fans when even while Gibson was on the team, it was nearly sold away from the city.

11 WS titles since 1900 as well. The Yankees didn't win until 1923, the Dodgers 1955, the Cubs went 108 years, the Phillies didn't win until 1980, the Pirates have gone years in the cellar. The Braves won in 1914, 1957, and 1995 and choked in 4 others in Atlanta. And the Giants went years finishing just short.

1920 is modern baseball in the live ball year. What is the hope of every fan and you might trade a John Smoltz to win a title? The WS.

And the poor Dodgers with their great pitchers and rookie of the years and ....

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Posted 12 October 2020 - 09:46 PM

 

11 WS titles since 1900 as well. The Yankees didn't win until 1923, the Dodgers 1955, the Cubs went 108 years, the Phillies didn't win until 1980, the Pirates have gone years in the cellar. The Braves won in 1914, 1957, and 1995 and choked in 4 others in Atlanta. And the Giants went years finishing just short.

1920 is modern baseball in the live ball year. What is the hope of every fan and you might trade a John Smoltz to win a title? The WS.

And the poor Dodgers with their great pitchers and rookie of the years and ....

Most fans also know that the game in 1920 resembles nothing near modern baseball. The Cardinals were notoriously one of the last to integrate in the National League and paid for it while the Dodgers, Giants, and Braves fought for yearly supremacy of the National League in the 1950s.

Even comparing the playoffs that the 1987 Tigers were trying to make (which Doyle Alexander did very well in achieving, making the deal exactly what you want a deadline deal to be if you're a 'championship or nothing' sort of fan) and the playoffs that exist now, even without the 2020 expanded playoffs. The Wild Card system has rarely placed the two best regular-season teams into the World Series, whereas those two teams ended up in the Fall Classic quite frequently in the initial division playoff model from 1969 to 1993.

 

As a fan, I want a winning team on the field every year. The playoffs as currently constructed are a crapshoot, so I'd prefer a team that can produce a winning product each season.

 

Just FYI, for those 8 organizations:
Boston/Milwaukee/Atlanta: 10,732-10,684 (.501), 26 playoff appearances, 17 pennants, 3 World Series wins

Brooklyn/Los Angeles: 11,017-9,835 (.528), 34 playoff appearances, 24 pennants, 6 World Series wins

Chicago: 11,016-10,430 (.514), 21 playoff appearances, 17 pennants, 3 World Series wins

Cincinnati: 10,630-10,422 (.505), 16 playoff appearances, 10 pennants, 5 World Series wins

New York/San Francisco: 11,194-9,718 (.535), 26 playoff appearances, 23 pennants, 8 World Series wins

Philadelphia: 9,853-11,032 (.472), 14 playoff appearances, 7 pennants, 2 World Series wins

Pittsburgh: 10,564-10,446 (.503), 17 playoff appearances, 9 pennants, 5 World Series wins

St. Louis: 10,948-10,091 (.520), 30 playoff appearances, 23 pennants, 11 World Series wins

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