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#1 glunn

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 01:12 AM

It seems to me that the Twins got a great deal from the Phillies for Revere, but a less great deal from the Nats for Span?

Who produced more value -- Revere or Span? And please feel free to elaborate your reasoning after you take the poll.

#2 YourHouseIsMyHouse

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 03:24 AM

Definitely the Revere trade as of now. The Twins got a #3 in Worley and a possible #2 in May. Although, I would say the best player overall of the 3 is Meyer. Meyer is also the highest risk and I could realistically see him as a power reliever. Alex Meyer would have to pitch like a true ace for the Span trade to be better.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 06:52 AM

The floor on the Revere trade is higher. The Ceiling on the Span trade is higher. I think Meyer has a pretty good shot at being that ace, based on what I've seen/read so far. May is a bigger risk as he regressed a bit last season, though we do get an established #3/4, that even if he needs TJ, should provide some value on the deal.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 07:17 AM

The Revere trade. At a minimum, we know Worley will pitch for the Twins, and then they received some possible help for the future as well with May. While Alex Meyer may have more talent than either of them, the chances of him ever pitching for the Twins are slim. He could get hurt, have difficulty making the jump to AA etc..... So few of these high end prospects ever make it.


I wonder if Ryan could have received more for Span if he had waited. I'm not sure anyone anticipated Angel Pagan would get such a large contract, and with Michael Bourn holding out for who knows what, trading for Span would have been a much better option for several teams.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 07:28 AM

Meyer has the best ceiling but getting a ML now starter and a solid prospect like May makes it a tie, in my opinion.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 07:34 AM

Glunn... The only pitcher I've seen is Worley and I think he's a solid pick up.

As for Meyer and May... Meyer looks like the better prospect but Meyer didn't come with Worley so I gotta go with Revere.

#7 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 07:39 AM

I'd give the slight nod to the Revere trade for a few reasons:

The pros:
1. One ML guy, one AA prospect.
2. Revere is not as good a player as Span.

The con:
1. Meyer is a better prospect than May.

#8 ThePuck

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 07:59 AM

I believe two or three years down the road, we'll agree Meyer was the best of the three players received in these two trades.

Span is a much better player than Revere and the Twins got a very good pitching prospect for him.

Revere is a 4th OF talent who netted a possible #3 pitcher for the next 5 years and a future pitcher...so help now and later.

So while the Span trade got us the better talent, the disparity between Revere's talent and what we got for him, make that trade better when looking at what we got compared to what we gave up.

#9 Al Frankensteinbrenner

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 08:02 AM

It's important to acknowledge that the Phillies probably don't make the Revere trade a week ago, when the Twins parted with Span. In many ways, taking another centerfielder out of the market forced the Phillies' hand and required them to up the ante in order to get what they felt they needed. Conversely, if the trade with Philadelphia happened a week ago, it would've been interesting to see if the Twins would've parted with Span at all and/or required more to give him up.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 08:06 AM

Revere doesn't bring Meyer.

The Twins needed that front line pitching prospect.

May has upside but there is also a good chance that he will never command his stuff well enough to find success.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 08:32 AM

I went with about the same

- Although Span's contract was very team friendly, Revere was even more cost effective and under team control for longer.
- Worley is coming back from an injury and while a very good get, he's realistically a #3 or #4 starter on a good team. May has a lot to figure out before we get too excited, his command/control regressed in 2012. At the very least he should be an excellent late inning reliever.
- Meyer has the highest ceiling of the group, isn't too far behind May in progression and showed improvement in his command in 2012.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 08:51 AM

Worley is a #4 pitcher on a team who has 3 HOF pitchers. For the Twins we are looking at our Ace for the next two years.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 09:15 AM

Not sure which TRADE will be better, but the Revere DECISION appears to be more impressive to me.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 09:17 AM

Worley is a #4 pitcher on a team who has 3 HOF pitchers. For the Twins we are looking at our Ace for the next two years.

What makes you think that, Twerp?

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 09:19 AM

Worley is a #4 pitcher on a team who has 3 HOF pitchers. For the Twins we are looking at our Ace for the next two years.


Point taken, he's a #1 in a terrible rotation and #4 in an outstanding one. So it's safe to say on a competitive team he's a #3 or #4.

#16 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 09:19 AM

Not sure which TRADE will be better, but the Revere DECISION appears to be more impressive to me.


That's a good way of putting it.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 09:26 AM

I went with middle. Worley could be a bust after surgery and May is not a guarantee Meyer could be a bust but the chances are smaller. Meyer could also be a top of the rotation pitcher or a solid #2. Those players do not grow on trees. About even.

#18 minn55441

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 09:31 AM

Not sure which TRADE will be better, but the Revere DECISION appears to be more impressive to me.


I agree birdwatcher. TR mentioned that the trade with the Phillies had been going on for some time. I wonder if they always wanted Revere? I have a feeling that TR was shocked by the FA center field money thrown around after the span trade. After the Span trade, I think TR had every intention of keeping Revere, but his hand was forced when he saw the return he could get at that moment. Supply and demand is a crazy thing. Span was and is the better player, yet Revere brought back the better return.

I give TR a lot of credit for taking action, even after he probably realized that he traded Span a little too quickly. I like both trades, but I think we will feel the Revere return was better looking back 2 or 3 years from now.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 09:32 AM

Revere got a better return and he was the less valuable player. It has to be revere

#20 glunn

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 03:09 PM

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 08:14 PM

I vote about the same. Yes, Revere brought back more quantity, but Span brought back a potential ace. I value elite players more than several average players. My opinion on pitching is that a front-line ace is an extremely important player on any team, thus, I value Meyersie more than the animal and Mays. Considering how the CF market is right now, the Twins did the right thing in trading from a strength. One thing everyone must remember, is that Revere is young and will still get better; while Span is in the pinnacle of his career. Both players drastically improve the respective teams, which could meet in the NLCS next season.
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 09:06 PM

The Revere trade is a clear winner. A bona fide major league starting pitcher (Worley) would have been a very good trade for Revere. But to recieve a second pitcher who rates as a decent set-up guy in 1.5 to 2 years as a floor, with potential for growth to a closer, and reasonable possibility as a decent starter make for quite a haul. I'm guessing May is a younger, LH, Perkins. Span is a proven major league CF with 3 rather affordable years on his contract--so a lot more value than Revere. Myers is an enigma, same possibilities as May but is has potential to be a front-of-the-rotation guy. What we posters are lacking is the character issue of these three new Twins. It's just too early to ascertain what's on the inside of these guys--whereas, there weren't any character flaws exposed by either Span or Revere.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 10:18 PM

The Revere trade is a clear winner. A bona fide major league starting pitcher (Worley) would have been a very good trade for Revere. But to recieve a second pitcher who rates as a decent set-up guy in 1.5 to 2 years as a floor, with potential for growth to a closer, and reasonable possibility as a decent starter make for quite a haul. I'm guessing May is a younger, LH, Perkins. Span is a proven major league CF with 3 rather affordable years on his contract--so a lot more value than Revere. Myers is an enigma, same possibilities as May but is has potential to be a front-of-the-rotation guy. What we posters are lacking is the character issue of these three new Twins. It's just too early to ascertain what's on the inside of these guys--whereas, there weren't any character flaws exposed by either Span or Revere.


Can you imagine a future rotation that had both Brett Myers and Alex Meyer? I admit to already mistakenly adding or subtracting the "s" where appropriate. Gardy will be sure mangle their names and give the media the wrong information on which pitcher is actually pitching, in what role, and when. How does he decide on their nicknames? Oh, the potential enigmas!

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 08:39 AM

The Revere trade is a clear winner. A bona fide major league starting pitcher (Worley) would have been a very good trade for Revere. But to recieve a second pitcher who rates as a decent set-up guy in 1.5 to 2 years as a floor, with potential for growth to a closer, and reasonable possibility as a decent starter make for quite a haul. I'm guessing May is a younger, LH, Perkins. Span is a proven major league CF with 3 rather affordable years on his contract--so a lot more value than Revere. Myers is an enigma, same possibilities as May but is has potential to be a front-of-the-rotation guy. What we posters are lacking is the character issue of these three new Twins. It's just too early to ascertain what's on the inside of these guys--whereas, there weren't any character flaws exposed by either Span or Revere.


I'm not sure you can call either trade a "clear winner" just yet. It will take time to judge that. Worley could blow out his arm tomorrow and May could never make it, while Meyer turns into that ace...who knows. I agree that Revere brought back more quantity, which is good. Span brought back a better ceiling. I honestly didn't think Revere would get one decent pitcher, much less two.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 09:23 AM

I just love this site. Whenever I have a question, the quality of the responses is amazing. I just want to mention how much I appreciate everyone here. You are incredible fans and your insights make life so much richer.


If only the discussion of pitching or of management could have the same rationality