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#31 h2oface

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 10:25 PM


Nobody but the Phillies, I guess.
I have my own opinion of this ........ and just used the particular article as an example of an article, and not a comment. I wish I had not included it, because it is clouding what I am saying, and is insignificant in that regard. I am not putting stock in anything except my own opinion here and could care less what Cameron thinks (but I did read it, like many others I read, and didn't really mean to have anyone perceive I was putting "stock" in it); I think Ryan could have done better on the Span deal, and I do have high expectations, call them ridiculous if you like, for the GM of my favorite team - always. I do expect The GM to make good deals like the Revere - Worley/Mays deal, and do it consistently. I have no idea what ROFLCOPTER means, but if it is text speak...... beware of the site police. The only "Holy Grail" I identify with is Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
I am happy for you that you are satisfied with the Span trade. I really wish I could be. I hope "The Hope" pans out, as we all do. Even if it does, I think the deal demanded more return.


So unless the GM of the Twins robs the opposition blind on every trade and then steals his lunch money, he's doing a bad job?

I'd hate to watch sports with that attitude. How do you not hate every single inning of the game with expectations that completely unreasonable? And why watch at all? Masochism?

And the Phillies didn't give up a young starter with upside. They gave up a slightly battered young starter that projects as a #3, tops. Is that what you wanted? A mediocre pitcher with little or no upside?


I have tried to discuss with you my opinion, and reasons for it, and have no problem with your disagreement. I even said I am happy for you. I also think Worley has great future, and was quite impressed with his rookie partial year in 2011. From the get go, I told you I am not out to change your mind. I don't feel that the Phillies were robbed, but you can if you like. That will not lead me to get into labeling you and disparaging you personally for your opinion. G'day.

#32 jokin

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 11:26 PM

[quote name='h2oface'][quote name='Brock Beauchamp'][quote name='h2oface']
Nobody but the Phillies, I guess.
I have my own opinion of this ........ and just used the particular article as an example of an article, and not a comment. I wish I had not included it, because it is clouding what I am saying, and is insignificant in that regard. I am not putting stock in anything except my own opinion here and could care less what Cameron thinks (but I did read it, like many others I read, and didn't really mean to have anyone perceive I was putting "stock" in it); I think Ryan could have done better on the Span deal, and I do have high expectations, call them ridiculous if you like, for the GM of my favorite team - always. I do expect The GM to make good deals like the Revere - Worley/Mays deal, and do it consistently. I have no idea what ROFLCOPTER means, but if it is text speak...... beware of the site police. The only "Holy Grail" I identify with is Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
I am happy for you that you are satisfied with the Span trade. I really wish I could be. I hope "The Hope" pans out, as we all do. Even if it does, I think the deal demanded more return.[/QUOTE]

So unless the GM of the Twins robs the opposition blind on every trade and then steals his lunch money, he's doing a bad job?

I'd hate to watch sports with that attitude. How do you not hate every single inning of the game with expectations that completely unreasonable? And why watch at all? Masochism?

And the Phillies didn't give up a young starter with upside. They gave up a slightly battered young starter that projects as a #3, tops. Is that what you wanted? A mediocre pitcher with little or no upside?[/QUOTE]

I have tried to discuss with you my opinion, and reasons for it, and have no problem with your disagreement. I even said I am happy for you. I also think Worley has great future, and was quite impressed with his rookie partial year in 2011. From the get go, I told you I am not out to change your mind. I don't feel that the Phillies were robbed, but you can if you like. That will not lead me to get into labeling you and disparaging you personally for your opinion. G'day.[/QUOTE]

Stated with grace and respectful aplomb. Well done.

In the context of this site, one must occasionally refer to the TD credo at the upper left corner of this page:

Independent. In-depth. Irreverent. Individuals.

Sabrematricians are very, very sure of themselves and it makes for good business in raising your hits to your webblog.
To paraphrase Bierce, what's the point of writing if you can't make someone mad?

The problem I have is with the guys like Keith Law who think they have broken the code to the secret of baseball success and then only come up with results like this:


$1 Bet Yield for MLB Pundits (2009-2011 Preseason Predictions)

[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD]Pundit
[/TD]
[TD]2009
[/TD]
[TD]2010
[/TD]
[TD="width: 200"]2011
[/TD]
[TD="width: 400"]Cumulative
[/TD]
[TD="width: 350"]2012 WS Pick
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jim Caple (ESPN)
[/TD]
[TD]$.056
[/TD]
[TD]$4.43
[/TD]
[TD]$0.15
[/TD]
[TD]$1.71
[/TD]
[TD]LA Angels
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jayson Stark (ESPN)
[/TD]
[TD]$2.01
[/TD]
[TD]$0.45
[/TD]
[TD]$0.76
[/TD]
[TD]$1.07
[/TD]
[TD]Detroit
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Peter Pascarelli (ESPN)
[/TD]
[TD]$1.89
[/TD]
[TD]$0.55
[/TD]
[TD]$0.61
[/TD]
[TD]$1.02
[/TD]
[TD]Detroit
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pedro Gomez (ESPN)
[/TD]
[TD]$1.35
[/TD]
[TD]$1.34
[/TD]
[TD]$0.15
[/TD]
[TD]$0.95
[/TD]
[TD]LA Angels
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Buster Olney (ESPN)
[/TD]
[TD]$2.01
[/TD]
[TD]$0.45
[/TD]
[TD]$0.27
[/TD]
[TD]$.091
[/TD]
[TD]Tampa Bay
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Joe Lemire (SI)
[/TD]
[TD]$1.62
[/TD]
[TD]$0.45
[/TD]
[TD]$0.42
[/TD]
[TD]$0.83
[/TD]
[TD]Texas
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ted Keith (SI)
[/TD]
[TD]$1.22
[/TD]
[TD]$0.82
[/TD]
[TD]$0.42
[/TD]
[TD]$0.82
[/TD]
[TD]Yankees
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Favorites
[/TD]
[TD]$1.65
[/TD]
[TD]$0.17
[/TD]
[TD]$0.40
[/TD]
[TD]$0.74
[/TD]
[TD]Philadelphia
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ben Reiter (SI)
[/TD]
[TD]$0.82
[/TD]
[TD]$0.78
[/TD]
[TD]$0.51
[/TD]
[TD]$0.70
[/TD]
[TD]Texas
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Albert Chen (SI)
[/TD]
[TD]$0.00
[/TD]
[TD]$1.39
[/TD]
[TD]$0.58
[/TD]
[TD]$0.66
[/TD]
[TD]Texas
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Eric Karabell (ESPN)
[/TD]
[TD]$1.51
[/TD]
[TD]$0.17
[/TD]
[TD]$0.15
[/TD]
[TD]$0.61
[/TD]
[TD]Philadelphia
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Tom Verducci (ESPN)
[/TD]
[TD]$1.04
[/TD]
[TD]$0.45
[/TD]
[TD]$0.15
[/TD]
[TD]$0.55
[/TD]
[TD]LA Angels
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Keith Law (ESPN)
[/TD]
[TD]$0.27
[/TD]
[TD]$0.78
[/TD]
[TD]$0.42
[/TD]
[TD]$0.49
[/TD]
[TD]Texas
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Orel Hershiser (ESPN)
[/TD]
[TD]$0.82
[/TD]
[TD]$0.17
[/TD]
[TD]$0.42
[/TD]
[TD]$0.47
[/TD]
[TD]Tampa Bay
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jerry Crasnick (ESPN)
[/TD]
[TD]$0.82
[/TD]
[TD]$0.17
[/TD]
[TD]$0.15
[/TD]
[TD]$0.38
[/TD]
[TD]Texas
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pundit Average
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]$0.82
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


Edited by jokin, 07 December 2012 - 11:30 PM.


#33 SpiritofVodkaDave

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 12:03 AM



The problem I have is with the guys like Keith Law who think they have broken the code to the secret of baseball success and then only come up with results like this:


$1 Bet Yield for MLB Pundits (2009-2011 Preseason Predictions)

[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD]Pundit[/TD]
[TD]2009[/TD]
[TD]2010[/TD]
[TD]2011[/TD]
[TD="width: 400"]Cumulative[/TD]
[TD="width: 350"]2012 WS Pick[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jim Caple (ESPN)[/TD]
[TD]$.056[/TD]
[TD]$4.43[/TD]
[TD]$0.15[/TD]
[TD]$1.71[/TD]
[TD]LA Angels[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jayson Stark (ESPN)[/TD]
[TD]$2.01[/TD]
[TD]$0.45[/TD]
[TD]$0.76[/TD]
[TD]$1.07[/TD]
[TD]Detroit[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Peter Pascarelli (ESPN)[/TD]
[TD]$1.89[/TD]
[TD]$0.55[/TD]
[TD]$0.61[/TD]
[TD]$1.02[/TD]
[TD]Detroit[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pedro Gomez (ESPN)[/TD]
[TD]$1.35[/TD]
[TD]$1.34[/TD]
[TD]$0.15[/TD]
[TD]$0.95[/TD]
[TD]LA Angels[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Buster Olney (ESPN)[/TD]
[TD]$2.01[/TD]
[TD]$0.45[/TD]
[TD]$0.27[/TD]
[TD]$.091[/TD]
[TD]Tampa Bay[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Joe Lemire (SI)[/TD]
[TD]$1.62[/TD]
[TD]$0.45[/TD]
[TD]$0.42[/TD]
[TD]$0.83[/TD]
[TD]Texas[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ted Keith (SI)[/TD]
[TD]$1.22[/TD]
[TD]$0.82[/TD]
[TD]$0.42[/TD]
[TD]$0.82[/TD]
[TD]Yankees[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Favorites[/TD]
[TD]$1.65[/TD]
[TD]$0.17[/TD]
[TD]$0.40[/TD]
[TD]$0.74[/TD]
[TD]Philadelphia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ben Reiter (SI)[/TD]
[TD]$0.82[/TD]
[TD]$0.78[/TD]
[TD]$0.51[/TD]
[TD]$0.70[/TD]
[TD]Texas[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Albert Chen (SI)[/TD]
[TD]$0.00[/TD]
[TD]$1.39[/TD]
[TD]$0.58[/TD]
[TD]$0.66[/TD]
[TD]Texas[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Eric Karabell (ESPN)[/TD]
[TD]$1.51[/TD]
[TD]$0.17[/TD]
[TD]$0.15[/TD]
[TD]$0.61[/TD]
[TD]Philadelphia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Tom Verducci (ESPN)[/TD]
[TD]$1.04[/TD]
[TD]$0.45[/TD]
[TD]$0.15[/TD]
[TD]$0.55[/TD]
[TD]LA Angels[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Keith Law (ESPN)[/TD]
[TD]$0.27[/TD]
[TD]$0.78[/TD]
[TD]$0.42[/TD]
[TD]$0.49[/TD]
[TD]Texas[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Orel Hershiser (ESPN)[/TD]
[TD]$0.82[/TD]
[TD]$0.17[/TD]
[TD]$0.42[/TD]
[TD]$0.47[/TD]
[TD]Tampa Bay[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jerry Crasnick (ESPN)[/TD]
[TD]$0.82[/TD]
[TD]$0.17[/TD]
[TD]$0.15
[/TD]
[TD]$0.38[/TD]
[TD]Texas[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pundit Average[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]$0.82[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


What does this have to do with anything at the topic at hand?

If ANYONE could predict who was going to win the World Series year in and year out, they certainly wouldn't be working for an MLB team or ESPN, they would be sitting pretty winning millions every year gambling.

Just because "pundits" have a tough time predicting who will win it all (when the baseball playoffs by and large are a HUGE crap shoot as most people acknowledge) doesn't mean their analysis of players and prospects is "bunk".

These guys get paid the big bucks because they have:
1. A great track record
2. A great understanding of the game.

So pardon me if I(and 99% of people) take Keith Law's thoughts a little more seriously then someone who simply states "Terry Ryan sucks" on a message board.

#34 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 09:24 AM



I have tried to discuss with you my opinion, and reasons for it, and have no problem with your disagreement. I even said I am happy for you. I also think Worley has great future, and was quite impressed with his rookie partial year in 2011. From the get go, I told you I am not out to change your mind. I don't feel that the Phillies were robbed, but you can if you like. That will not lead me to get into labeling you and disparaging you personally for your opinion. G'day.


Stated with grace and respectful aplomb. Well done.

In the context of this site, one must occasionally refer to the TD credo at the upper left corner of this page:

Independent. In-depth. Irreverent. Individuals.

Sabrematricians are very, very sure of themselves and it makes for good business in raising your hits to your webblog.
To paraphrase Bierce, what's the point of writing if you can't make someone mad?

The problem I have is with the guys like Keith Law who think they have broken the code to the secret of baseball success and then only come up with results like this:


The only person in this thread who has quoted anything from a sabermatrician is the guy you just quoted and congratulated.

*scratches head*

#35 snepp

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 09:34 AM

The word of the day is, strawman.