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#21 jmlease1

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:12 PM

I think it's hard to know on Morneau, but I would guess no trade.

If the Twins manage to sign a pitcher like Dempster or Marcum to shore up the rotation further, add an additional vet for the back end/insurance, suddenly the rotation looks solid with Marcum/Dempster, Diamond, Worley, Gibson, Hendriks/De Vries/Walters/Waldrop/FA #2. It's one thing to go in the season needing 2 guys to step up from that last pack, another to be looking for 1.

Honestly, they should still have money to look for help at 2B/SS to have insurance against Dozier/Florimon not being ready/MLB-quality AND get a quality 3B option in case Plouffe was a fluke. Carroll slides back into the utility position he's best suited for and suddenly you've got a very nice bullpen coupled with a decent rotation and a solid lineup...why not ride that team, see how they do with a healthy Justin Morneau in the middle of the lineup (and hopefully after a full healthy year, no longer bailing out on pitches from LHers). If it doesn't work, you can look at dealing him at the deadline, but that's a team you can sell to the public as worth watching.

The rotation still wouldn't be top-end, but there'd be 4 pitchers who would qualify as being reasonable #2-#3 starters. And a massive improvement over last season. Offensive drop-off is likely in CF and LF (Willingham will likely regress a little due to age), but there's potential improvement (overall) for RF, 3B and 1B. Unlikely the offense at SS & 2B can get much worse! So why couldn't the offense be better?

No need to rush Arcia at that point. Progress in 2013 is a good idea to set up 2014, from a marketing standpoint...and from a team standpoint. Isn't it better to stagger out your rookie development a little if you can?

#22 Chris in Osaka

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:39 PM

Time to double down on the future and move both Morneau and Willingham. The team can't compete in 2013 and shouldn't cling to any such illusions.

#23 kab21

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:45 PM

I don't understand what the Revere trade has to do with Morneau. he's just as available as he was before. The reason that I don't think Morneau will get traded (in the offseason) is that I don't think a team will trade a good prospect for him (even if the Twins pay half). If they do then he is gone.

#24 Joe

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 07:05 PM

Hypothetical......

Would you trade Justin Morneau for Brian Matusz and PTBNL - Kevin Gausmann?

I think I would.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 07:29 PM

Morneau might not even get you Matusz. Gausman is completely off the table for the Twins.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 07:37 PM

I think the trading is about done! It's time for the buying to start!

#27 AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 08:34 PM

Morneau might not even get you Matusz. Gausman is completely off the table for the Twins.


And you know what? I wouldnt mind getting Brian Matusz. Gausman is untouchable exactly right.

#28 kab21

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 08:40 PM

I'll pass on Matusz for Morneau. All indications are that he's a lefty RP'er now. Arrieta or even Britton OTOH are more interesting.

#29 jokin

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 08:57 PM

Morneau might not even get you Matusz. Gausman is completely off the table for the Twins.


Gausman is probably unreachable, but what happens to the Nat's Desperation Meter if they lose Adam LaRoche? There are still enough quality prospects in the Nats org to get a good multi-player deal if they really hit the panic button.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 09:03 PM

Gausman is probably unreachable, but what happens to the Nat's Desperation Meter if they lose Adam LaRoche? There are still enough quality prospects in the Nats org to get a good multi-player deal if they really hit the panic button.


Are you mixing up the O's and Nats on purpose or accidentally? The Nats already have Mike Morse to play 1B and the O's have a good offense but pretty weak pitching so I don't understand why they would be trading a pitching prospect for a hitter.

Regardless of any desperation meter a guy like Gausman won't be traded for Morneau. And not Willingham either.

#31 OldManWinter

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 09:47 PM

I think Morneau will remain a Twin, mid season may have a different answer if the team is struggling or there is an offer too good to be true.

Morneau is still a health risk, to sell now you are selling when his value is low.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 10:02 PM

The Twins would need to require another huge overpay because point number four was most apt. It's not like his salary will now go toward free agent pitching. Losing his salary would just help to set the bar lower for future payrolls.

#33 Kobs

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 10:34 PM

I'm not sure what the market is for a $14,000,000 first baseman with a.267/.333/.444 line and a history of major head injuries.[TABLE="class: sortable stats_table row_summable"]
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#34 glunn

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 11:43 PM

I'm not sure what the market is for a $14,000,000 first baseman with a.267/.333/.444 line and a history of major head injuries.[TABLE="class: sortable stats_table row_summable"]
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On the other hand, a contender at the trade deadline might be willing to give up a really good prospect for a former MVP if he is having a good season.

#35 Shane Wahl

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 12:45 AM

Parmelee has to be in RF at the moment (yikes) and Morneau is safe. Morneau now is a deadline deal and that is fine (Parmelee takes over at 1B and Arcia takes over in RF).

This is all about Aaron Hicks.

#36 jokin

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 12:54 AM

Gausman is probably unreachable, but what happens to the Nat's Desperation Meter if they lose Adam LaRoche? There are still enough quality prospects in the Nats org to get a good multi-player deal if they really hit the panic button.


Are you mixing up the O's and Nats on purpose or accidentally? The Nats already have Mike Morse to play 1B and the O's have a good offense but pretty weak pitching so I don't understand why they would be trading a pitching prospect for a hitter.

Regardless of any desperation meter a guy like Gausman won't be traded for Morneau. And not Willingham either.



The Orioles have publicly stated they are in search of a 1B/DH power hitter. The Nats, in possibly losing LaRoche, lose a LH 1B power bat, Morse is RH and having a lefty power bat may or may not be a higher Nat priority.

I agree a guy like Gausman wouldn't be traded straight-up for either of them, but a package that includes a top Twins prospect, who knows? The Orioles already have Dylan Bundy and if they think they are one or two pieces away from a shot at the pennant, who knows what they might offer?- they also have another raw, big hard-throwing SP and blocked 3B and 2B at the top of their MiL prospect list.

Regarding Morse and the Nats, with their OF now full and Brian Goodwin knocking at the door, they might even be willing to swap him to the Twins in some kind of deal. Another RH power bat and ability to play 1B/OF/DH would fit nicely at Target and the Twins lineup, both contracts expire after 2013, but Morse only makes $6.75M (who might like MN and wish to re-sign). Longshot, but again, worth inquiring about, Eric Davis, Matt Purke, Ryan Mattheus are worth putting on the table- they've alredy thrown Drew Storen out there, they also have a couple of intriguing power hitting MiL 3B.

And yes, what with the just-completed epic trade with my favorite NL team and its neighbor (my 2nd fav AL team, I'm from MD originally) just to the east, my conflation-radar goes off simultaneously for both when one is mentioned.:th_alc:

Edited by jokin, 07 December 2012 - 01:14 AM.


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Posted 07 December 2012 - 01:11 AM

Parmelee has to be in RF at the moment (yikes) and Morneau is safe. Morneau now is a deadline deal and that is fine (Parmelee takes over at 1B and Arcia takes over in RF).

This is all about Aaron Hicks.


And Oswaldo Arcia?

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 03:53 AM

yeah, we're talking a lot about CF with Benson/Hicks/Mastroianni... however, Arcia is probably the most big-league ready of the bunch, and if RF were to open up, I think they'd be pretty comfortable going to him.


Or maybe Ellsbury ends up our centerfielder....

#39 FrodaddyG

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 03:58 AM

On the other hand, a contender at the trade deadline might be willing to give up a really good prospect for a former MVP if he is having a good season.

Is Vlad Guerrero available in this scenario? He's only two more years removed from his MVP award than Morneau!

#40 diehardtwinsfan

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 06:56 AM

Gausman isn't available in a trade b/c PTBNLs have to be named in 6 months. They could pull this off in spring training or at the deadline in July, but not before then. I'd be quite happy getting Gausman for Morneau, but I have a tough time believing Baltimore would bite on that... not right now at least. If they are contending at the deadline, maybe...

That said, if I were Baltimore, I'd be looking forward to the days of having Bundy and Gausman fronting a rotation... That's 2 potential aces there. Given that much of this season was luck, I think they'd be foolish to trade either of those guys away.