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#1 twinsfaninsaudi

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:00 PM

I'm curious. Who thinks Meyer will be a member of Twins rotation during the 2013 season? And I mean before September.

Also, who thinks the FO actually expects that he will make it to the rotation during 2013? I'm talking about a July or August call-up here.

I personally think yes on both accounts.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:03 PM

I'm curious. Who thinks Meyer will be a member of Twins rotation during the 2013 season? And I mean before September.

Also, who thinks the FO actually expects that he will make it to the rotation during 2013? I'm talking about a July or August call-up here.

I personally think yes on both accounts.


Nope

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:05 PM

I'm thinking no way.

Meyer isn't "to far" off, but he still has to work on a few things before he is major league ready.
1. He needs to fix his mechanics, hopefully this doesn't take to long, but it will take some time.
2. He needs to work on his accuracy.
3. He needs to continue to develop his change up.

The good news is he has already shown quite a bit of progression in regards to #2 and #3

Also, the Twins have zero real need to try to rush him.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:09 PM

Nope, that would start his arbitration clock too fast. This team is all about money. Does not matter if he is the best pitcher in the organization next year or not, he will not be up. Not that I think he will be the best, just that it does not matter.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:10 PM

I'm curious. Who thinks Meyer will be a member of Twins rotation during the 2013 season? And I mean before September.

Also, who thinks the FO actually expects that he will make it to the rotation during 2013? I'm talking about a July or August call-up here.

I personally think yes on both accounts.


Nope


I agree with Puck...nope

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:12 PM

Nope, that would start his arbitration clock too fast. This team is all about money. Does not matter if he is the heat pitcher in the organization next year or not, he will not be up. Not that I think he will be the best, just that it does not matter.


There is a point after June in which call-ups would not be counted as having a year if service time. There is super 2s, but still, a guy can get called up and pitch in the majors without it moving his Arbitration eligibility any closer than if he had spent the whole year in the minors.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:18 PM

Amazing the difference in timelines people have. I'm under the assumption that Meyer won't be handed a rotation spot until mid-2014. This isn't a guy who is some polished college pitcher like Gibson was. As Rocketpig said, he has struggled with mechanics and control. Also there is little reason to rush him. Either the Twins are going to sign some real pitchers this year, in which case there shouldn't be a need to rush Meyer, or we're going to be absolutely terrible, in which case there still is no need to rush Meyer because he will make little impact on the Twins trajectory this year. Rushing Meyer just starts his clock a year sooner when he isn't needed.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:20 PM

I'm thinking no way.

Meyer isn't "to far" off, but he still has to work on a few things before he is major league ready.
1. He needs to fix his mechanics, hopefully this doesn't take to long, but it will take some time.
2. He needs to work on his accuracy.
3. He needs to continue to develop his change up.

The good news is he has already shown quite a bit of progression in regards to #2 and #3

Also, the Twins have zero real need to try to rush him.


Going into this year Meyer will be older and have more professional innings logged than Matt Garzas had/was in 2006, the year he was called up.
He will be a month older going into this season than Liam Hendricks was going into last season.

Every area of concern that you cited are things he has improved on steadily every year since he was a sophomore in college.

If he dominates AA through May and AAA through June he will get called up in July. Terry Ryan actually said as much on the day they made the trade.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:23 PM

If Meyer is up with the major league team in 2013, it won't be until September when they won't need to burn an option year to have him up.

I don't think we'll see him until June of 2014 at the very earliest.

And that's hoping against hope that his elbow doesn't explode in the meantime.

Edited by Boom Boom, 05 December 2012 - 01:31 PM.


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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:29 PM

AAs Rocketpig said, he has struggled with mechanics and control.


I think it's also been said he lacks a reliable third pitch that you want a front-line starter to have, which additional time may allow to develop.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:30 PM

If Meyer is up with the major league team in 2013, it won't be until September when they won't need to burn an option year to have him up.

I don't think we'll see him until June of 2014 at the very earliest.


I don't agree with that. I don't think they see Meyer as a guy that will roll through all his options. They see him as a guy who will stick once he arrives, so the options are a moot point.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:32 PM

If he dominates AA through May and AAA through June he will get called up in July. Terry Ryan actually said as much on the day they made the trade.


There's no guarantees he even starts this season in AA. Ryan hasn't committed to where he'll be placed yet. We won't see him with the Twins this regular season

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:34 PM


If he dominates AA through May and AAA through June he will get called up in July. Terry Ryan actually said as much on the day they made the trade.


There's no guarantees he even starts this season in AA. Ryan hasn't committed to where he'll be placed yet. We won't see him with the Twins this regular season


There is no guarantees. But he will probably start at Double A. Is there a lot pitching blocking him in this organization?

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:35 PM

I think it will be next year. Need to fix mechanics will slow him this year. Also Twins do not need to rush him this year if he is here next year.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:35 PM

Bret Myers? 20% chance.
Alex Myer? 0% chance.

You don't f around with service time with a Scott Boras advised power pitcher. He will be up no sooner than June 2014, nor should he be.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:37 PM

AAs Rocketpig said, he has struggled with mechanics and control.


I think it's also been said he lacks a reliable third pitch that you want a front-line starter to have, which additional time may allow to develop.


From Keith Law: "his changeup has improved to the point where it's probably a future-average pitch"

Again, it's something he has improved on steadily. But me, I think because he mostly throws a hard fastball that sinks and tails to the glove side, he can get by as primarily a two pitch starter with a hard slider that breaks the opposite way and gets rave reviews.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:41 PM

Bret Myers? 20% chance.
Alex Myer? 0% chance.

You don't f around with service time with a Scott Boras advised power pitcher. He will be up no sooner than June 2014, nor should he be.


Point taken on Boras.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:44 PM

mww, this "all about money" stuff is such hogwash. If Meyer was ready, he'd start the season with the big club, period.

We've been given no indications that he's ready.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:45 PM


If he dominates AA through May and AAA through June he will get called up in July. Terry Ryan actually said as much on the day they made the trade.


There's no guarantees he even starts this season in AA. Ryan hasn't committed to where he'll be placed yet. We won't see him with the Twins this regular season


But come that 1 game playoff series he'll be ready! He'll be ready. :th_alc:

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:47 PM

You really believe money plays no factor in their decisions? I think we will disagree on that point......still hoping

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:47 PM

Amazing the difference in timelines people have. I'm under the assumption that Meyer won't be handed a rotation spot until mid-2014. This isn't a guy who is some polished college pitcher like Gibson was. As Rocketpig said, he has struggled with mechanics and control. Also there is little reason to rush him. Either the Twins are going to sign some real pitchers this year, in which case there shouldn't be a need to rush Meyer, or we're going to be absolutely terrible, in which case there still is no need to rush Meyer because he will make little impact on the Twins trajectory this year. Rushing Meyer just starts his clock a year sooner when he isn't needed.


I am also under this impression. The guy had 7 games at high A last year. SEVEN. Lets allow him some developmental time before we throw him out there. The question shouldn't be 2013, it should be whether or not we throw him out during 2014 at all.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:57 PM

mww, this "all about money" stuff is such hogwash. If Meyer was ready, he'd start the season with the big club, period.

We've been given no indications that he's ready.


I would count this report from LEN3rd as an indication that the Twins think he is close to ready:

"Twins General Manager Terry Ryan didn't sound interested in bringing Meyer along slowly. "We'll let the pitcher dictate his ability to go through a system," Ryan said. "This guy is a power-type pitcher who throws it over. That equates to someone who should be able to do some things in the minor leagues and get up here.""

http://m.startribune.com/?id=181628701

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:57 PM

[quote name='Oxtung'][quote name='ThePuck'][quote name='twinsfaninsaudi']
If he dominates AA through May and AAA through June he will get called up in July. Terry Ryan actually said as much on the day they made the trade.[/QUOTE]

There's no guarantees he even starts this season in AA. Ryan hasn't committed to where he'll be placed yet. We won't see him with the Twins this regular season[/QUOTE]

But come that 1 game playoff series he'll be ready! He'll be ready. :th_alc:[/QUOTE]

That was funny! I guess I made a point of saying regular season because if, for some reason, he's with them in Spring Training someone inevitably says something like, 'well, technically, he wore a Twins jersey during a game.' You know how things go :-)

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 02:01 PM

Another point I will make here is that I think saying he is "struggling" with his mechanics is not an accurate characterization. I think saying that being consistent with his mechanics is not one of his strengths would be a more accurate description, from what I have read. One thing, he certainly did not "struggle" with his control last year, so his mechanics did not effect that.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 02:02 PM

mww, this "all about money" stuff is such hogwash. If Meyer was ready, he'd start the season with the big club, period.

We've been given no indications that he's ready.


I would count this report from LEN3rd as an indication that the Twins think he is close to ready:

"Twins General Manager Terry Ryan didn't sound interested in bringing Meyer along slowly. "We'll let the pitcher dictate his ability to go through a system," Ryan said. "This guy is a power-type pitcher who throws it over. That equates to someone who should be able to do some things in the minor leagues and get up here.""

http://m.startribune.com/?id=181628701


Sounds like you have it all figured out

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 02:06 PM

mww, this "all about money" stuff is such hogwash. If Meyer was ready, he'd start the season with the big club, period.

We've been given no indications that he's ready.


I would count this report from LEN3rd as an indication that the Twins think he is close to ready:

"Twins General Manager Terry Ryan didn't sound interested in bringing Meyer along slowly. "We'll let the pitcher dictate his ability to go through a system," Ryan said. "This guy is a power-type pitcher who throws it over. That equates to someone who should be able to do some things in the minor leagues and get up here.""

http://m.startribune.com/?id=181628701


That quote means next to nothing with regards to MLB ETA. He is simply saying that the Twins will let Meyer's pitching in the minors determine how quickly Meyer moves up. Which just leads back to your (the general you, not twinsfaninsaudi you) personal assumption about how quickly Meyer will show he is ready to move. Twinsfaninsaudi seems to think Meyer is going to dominate at each stop and so will progress quickly. Others think he will struggle enough with his mechanics, whether that is because the Twins want to tweak them or just because he is 6'9" tall, and therefore won't rise rapidly.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 02:13 PM

[quote name='ThePuck'][quote name='twinsfaninsaudi'][quote name='birdwatcher']mww, this "all about money" stuff is such hogwash. If Meyer was ready, he'd start the season with the big club, period.

We've been given no indications that he's ready.[/QUOTE]

I would count this report from LEN3rd as an indication that the Twins think he is close to ready:

"Twins General Manager Terry Ryan didn't sound interested in bringing Meyer along slowly. "We'll let the pitcher dictate his ability to go through a system," Ryan said. "This guy is a power-type pitcher who throws it over. That equates to someone who should be able to do some things in the minor leagues and get up here.""

http://m.startribune.com/?id=181628701[/QUOTE]

Sounds like you have it all figured out[/QUOTE]

Thank you.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 02:15 PM

[quote name='Oxtung'][quote name='twinsfaninsaudi'][quote name='birdwatcher']mww, this "all about money" stuff is such hogwash. If Meyer was ready, he'd start the season with the big club, period.

We've been given no indications that he's ready.[/QUOTE]

I would count this report from LEN3rd as an indication that the Twins think he is close to ready:

"Twins General Manager Terry Ryan didn't sound interested in bringing Meyer along slowly. "We'll let the pitcher dictate his ability to go through a system," Ryan said. "This guy is a power-type pitcher who throws it over. That equates to someone who should be able to do some things in the minor leagues and get up here.""

http://m.startribune.com/?id=181628701[/QUOTE]

That quote means next to nothing with regards to MLB ETA. He is simply saying that the Twins will let Meyer's pitching in the minors determine how quickly Meyer moves up. Which just leads back to your (the general you, not twinsfaninsaudi you) personal assumption about how quickly Meyer will show he is ready to move. Twinsfaninsaudi seems to think Meyer is going to dominate at each stop and so will progress quickly. Others think he will struggle enough with his mechanics, whether that is because the Twins want to tweak them or just because he is 6'9" tall, and therefore won't rise rapidly.[/QUOTE]

Yes, you are correct. At the end of the day, I am going on a hunch that he will dominate.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 02:20 PM

Bret Myers? 20% chance.
Alex Myer? 0% chance.

You don't f around with service time with a Scott Boras advised power pitcher. He will be up no sooner than June 2014, nor should he be.


Money money money....money! Exactly right....F@#! Boras

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 02:46 PM

Bret Myers? 20% chance.
Alex Myer? 0% chance.

You don't f around with service time with a Scott Boras advised power pitcher. He will be up no sooner than June 2014, nor should he be.


Money money money....money! Exactly right....F@#! Boras


Nick's right - with only 7 starts at high A, Twins will start him at Ft. Meyers. He'll spend most of next season at New Britain (AA), about a half dozen games at Rochester (AAA). He'll start 2014 at Rochester and arrive in June at Target Field. We're going to suck in 2013, why waste any of the six years we're going to have him when we have no chance? And yes, we won't have him longer than six years with Boris as his agent, so start thinking who we can trade him for at the deadline in 2019.

By the way, even though I'm ScottyB - don't confuse me with that ******* agent.



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